Russian positive

[SCG]

Interesting News on Powerlifting Watch about latest latest IPF positives.

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/7247

I wonder what the IPF will do now.

[Martin Flett]

Some interesting comments on the link.:D The IPF seems damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. If it doesn't do OOC testing, it's not serious about doping; if it does and catches people, the sport is rife with it...

Looks like Brian's in danger of becoming the testing equivalent of Specsavers!

[J Power]

If that is true,would it mean both Monica and Marie would get bronze medals ?

[SCG]

This is what the IPF said when they let the Russians back early:


Thus, if either the Russian or Ukraine Federation has a single international positive test result between now and 31st December 2008 that federation will again be fully suspended through to that date. The IPF Executive is aware that the political situation in both countries is such that a further suspension may well effectively destroy the federation concerned and the Executive is prepared to accept such a consequence. Further, in addition to ongoing international in-competition testing, the IPF will conduct out-of-competition testing in Russia and Ukraine in 2007 and 2008, with the same draconian consequences for the federation flowing from any positive results in that testing.

This test happened before the Worlds and there should only be one possible outcome of this (and a few more GB medals including a couple of Golds on individual lifts). It will be interesting to see if the IPF find a way around this.

[J Power]

Well at the eurpeans in 2000,there may have been a positive test in monica class at the time [75kg] as I thought it was won by the german lifter daniell Sell ,but her name does seem to be on the website now.
If that is true ? I geuss they do not give medals out retrospactively or inform the lifter they have placed higher.

[cuntos]

I remember that document too Steve. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Actually removing the Russians permanently will make people say that they do not hold a true World Championship, but then you can't threaten to do it and then back down without losing all credibility...

[Martin Flett]

They did with Clive in 2006, didn't they? (In response to JP)

[J Power]

yeah I think they did,although Phil could answer that one better.
I know we were not told about the change in the 2000 results,we just happened to stumble across them on the internet a few years later.

[Mr Kobra]

The IPF have dug themselves in a bit of a hole over all of this and the only way I can see that they can save face is to ban Russia, otherwise whats the point of handing out the threats?

[Hellspawn]

out of contest testing is the only way to catch them but there are a lot to catch

[Funky_monkey]

out of contest testing is the only way to catch them but there are a lot to catch

And not all of them are in Russia!

[Hellspawn]

And not all of them are in Russia!

no they certainly are not quite agree !

i was looking through the local records of two years back just seeing who's done what as i didnt get back into it untill last year and one name stuck out like a sore thumb

[altug]

Russians always have a positive point of view about drug usage. :D:D:D

[Phil R]

yeah I think they did,although Phil could answer that one better.
I know we were not told about the change in the 2000 results,we just happened to stumble across them on the internet a few years later.

from wht i recall i think that now they are insistant that anyone tested positive has to hand back the medals and they are all exchanged, this generall happens at the banquet now so at least the lifter now gets reconition and applauded, hope this helps john.

[Marian]

no they certainly are not quite agree !

i was looking through the local records of two years back just seeing who's done what as i didnt get back into it untill last year and one name stuck out like a sore thumb

I agree not all drug takers are Russian, but what is the second part meant to mean? I don't know who you are talking about, but I assume you mean divisional records being broken and just because some one does this doesn't mean they are on gear and I don't think things like this should be implied as it does no one any good at all.

[Hellspawn]

I agree not all drug takers are Russian, but what is the second part meant to mean? I don't know who you are talking about, but I assume you mean divisional records being broken and just because some one does this doesn't mean they are on gear and I don't think things like this should be implied as it does no one any good at all.

The particular person in question was brought into a conversation i had by one of the top officials at the following years competition they are very aware of him and his since ducked off out of the way just as his always done then never shows up at the British where he knows he will never get away with it.
His done worse things his a joke round here

[Hellspawn]

Another two IPF lifters bite the dust Karol Koltonski of Poland & Hungary's Gyorgy Lovasz both found positive

[JIM MUTRIE]

yes they did give the medals to clive after the worlds and to deana nd pat after the europeans when the positve results were published

[Hellspawn]

The IPF Executive Committee has suspended the Russian Powerlifting Federation (RPF) and invalidated all of its international and regional results effective October 21, 2007 and continuing until August 30, 2008.

Russia had been competing while on probation after the IPF allowed them to be reinstated early from a prior suspension for massive doping violations. Terms of that probation included a further one year suspension if any lifter tested positive at an IPF meet or in an IPF out of competition test (OCT). Russian Yoriy Fedorenko tested positive during the probationary period in an OCT.

Although his positive test occurred on September 24, the start date of Russia's suspension was pushed back to begin at the conclusion of the 2007 World Championships. As such, all of Russia's results at those championships, including a perfect team score, are preserved.

In addition, instead of a one year suspension, as called for in the original terms of the probation, the IPF decided extenuating circumstances dictated a shortened 10 month suspension.

Following the completed term of the suspension, Russia will again be put on probation. Probation will last until June 30, 2009. Any international positive drug tests will results in a further suspension. No indication is given toward the length of time that suspension will last. Although the IPF will also continue OCT, there is no clear indication if a failure will trigger another suspension.

Federation President Detlev Albrings reminds member nations that the IPF has the right to expel nations with recurring doping problems and warns that the federation is examining the doping records of nations other than Russia. Albrings also reaffirms the IPF's committment to creating a drug free federation, saying that they "will continue to take all necessary measures to eradicate drugs in Powerlifting."

Albrings discusses how the EC arrived at the penalty:


That must make all the people serving life bans feel soooooo much better ;)

[Andrew Cominos]

The RDFPF (Russian WDFPF body) has had about 8 positives in the past couple of years. All were responded to with life bans. Who conducted the test and imposed the sanctions? Not the WDFPF - but the RDFPF itself.
As a point of interest the new WDFPF affiliate in the Ukraine recently ran its second major meet, attracting nearly 90 entries. They apply the same policy.

[SOTB]

The RDFPF (Russian WDFPF body) has had about 8 positives in the past couple of years. All were responded to with life bans. Who conducted the test and imposed the sanctions? Not the WDFPF - but the RDFPF itself.
As a point of interest the new WDFPF affiliate in the Ukraine recently ran its second major meet, attracting nearly 90 entries. They apply the same policy.
What's your point Andrew Comical? (Other than high-lighting the fact, yet again, that you lot are not drug free.)

[Andrew Cominos]

What's your point Andrew Comical? (Other than high-lighting the fact, yet again, that you lot are not drug free.)

For an organization to be "drug-free" does not imply that it never catches any cheats. That would be absurd. There will always be users who try their luck, no matter how strict the rules. Rather, drug-free bodies should be judged by their intent and reliability. For starters, whether such a body can be trusted to conduct its own tests impartially, or whether they are deemed so unreliable that other agencies have to do their testing for them. Second, whether the suspensions imposed are serious enough to act as any kind of deterrent.

I prefer to have discussions with people I can identify. Care to let us know your real identity?

[cuntos]

If I was wearing my moderator's hat (instead of my santa hat) I'd have to remind both of you that fed-bashing is opprobrious behaviour, but somehow I don't think that would work with SOTB - lol!

It's true that no fed is drug free, but both of the UK feds that perform drug-testing (BWLA and BDFPA) endeavour to be drug free.

[SOTB]

Andrew, I feel that by referring to yourselves as drug free you (the BDFPA) are, by implication, suggesting that other organisations are not.

Given that drug abuse is seemingly as rife in your organisation as it is anywhere else, why not now drop the facade and go back to calling yourselves the BPA?