BPC versus BWLA

[VINNY]

Hi, having only experienced BWLA comps I am interested in the difference between BPC and BWLA comp rules or lift procedures. Can anyone summerise the key diferreces from BWLA for me please.

Humourous comment accepted in good faith!

Also where/when can I see a BPC competition near Norfolk.

Ta!

[Hellspawn]

:)

mmmmmm looks a fun post

Basicly BWLA referee's are the ones that look like their underpants are too tight.

[Phil R]

:)

mmmmmm looks a fun post

Basicly BWLA referee's are the ones that look like their underpants are too tight.

lol now the replies here will be good

[dr_hazbun]

Can't wait to see what beast this thread evolves into!

[Rob Thomas]

I'll have a go then...

This is assuming you know all about the different kit allowances - single ply vs double ply etc etc.

Squats:
1. In the BPC you use a monolift to squat from and not squat racks.
2. There's no having to walk the weights out in the BPC as in BWLA.
3. You need to squat to a deeper depth in BWLA than in the BPC.
4. You have to wait for the "Squat!" and "Rack!" commands in BWLA, I don't think you get these in the BPC.

Bench Press:
1. You need to keep your feet flat on the floor in BWLA, you can be on your toes in the BPC.
2. You need to keep your head flat on the bench in BWLA, you can lift it in the BPC.
3. After the bar has been handed to you, in BWLA you must steady everything first before the ref will give you the "Start!" command. You can start straight away in the BPC.
4. In BWLA you have to lock out your arms at the end of the press and steady the bar again before waiting for the ref's "Rack!" command. I don't think there's a rack command in the BPC.
5. You can't lower the bar to any point below the lower chest or sternum in BWLA, I think you can lower it further down towards your stomach in the BPC.

Deadlifts:
Not sure, I think these are pretty standard in thatyou need to pick the bar up and lock the knees out and shoulders back?

How's that, did I miss anything or make any mistakes?

RE: the comp, check out the BPC website: http://www.britishpowerliftingcongress.co.uk/index.php

[Hellspawn]

Well done Rob ! you just missed out the new 50% butt rule and that you have to slip the two side refs in BWLA £5 each to get a pass and its free in the BPC

[SCG]

No drug testing in the BPC

Also I assume BPC comps are usually held in cold venues, because despite the fact that double ply kit apparently doesn't add anything to your total the lifters continue to pay extra for it.

[DEL]

No drug testing in the BPC

Also I assume BPC comps are usually held in cold venues, because despite the fact that double ply kit apparently doesn't add anything to your total the lifters continue to pay extra for it.

The only way to see what 2ply kit can add to your total is to try it for your self. If you would like to try it out you are more then welcome to come and train at the gallery some time to give it a go. I am sure I can find some kit to fit you.

[SCG]

Thanks Del but I can't even manage to lift in single ply!

[Hellspawn]

The BPC is affiliated to the WPC which is American based and owned by a financial genius called Kieren Kiddler KK to his many friends

BWLA is affiliated to the IPF which is European based and run by a family in Sicily

[Finch]

The BPC is affiliated to the WPC which is American based and owned by a financial genius called Kieren Kiddler KK to his many friends

BWLA is affiliated to the IPF which is European based and run by a family in Sicily

Look out for the horses head on your pillow in the morning.

[Finch]

:)

mmmmmm looks a fun post

Basicly BWLA referee's are the ones that look like their underpants are too tight.

I've only ever lifetd in BWLA comps, but I'd have to agree.

[cuntos]

Lol at all of this, especially Steve's honesty about his abilities; I'm still in strenuous denial about the fact that I can't lift and keep demonstrating it on the platform and in the gym - lol! ;)

Seriously though, I've lifted with both feds and am not going to say anything bad about either one. Vinny, you should go to a BPC comp and see for yourself. They're usually a lot of fun and powerlifters are the same all over the place and regardless of fed - a friendly, enthusiastic and slightly insane bunch.

[VINNY]

Rob, thanks for the pointers on difference, seems quite a lot to me.

I am really enjoying this site and the banter.....do I detect a slight tension between the BPC and BWLA? Surely not............

[Hellspawn]

The BPC & BWLA are nothing you should have been around when the dreaded "Guild" aka BPA aka BDFPA first broke away from what was then called BAWLA the fir realy flew the Guild wanted no association with those drug taking BAWLA lot :)

[Finch]

those drug taking BAWLA lot :)

Now that's not fair. Wether you like it or not, I'm sure that drug cheats (and they are cheats) participate in both BWLA and BDFPF.

Of course if they lift in the untested fed's fair play to them, they are just powerlifter's like you and I. (in my case I use the term "powerlifter" in the loosest possible sense).

[Hellspawn]

its what actualy happened , a group of BAWLA members broke away claiming everyone in BAWLA were drug users it gave me at the time the greatest amount of grief i have had to deal with half my team went over to the Guild and half stayed with me in BAWLA but you could cut the atmosphere with a knife it got so bad , of course not everyone in BAWLA were on drugs far from it and personly i thought it was just an excuse for their bad performances in not winning titles they had to find someone to blame apart from themselves.

[Tannhauser]

I'm interested in entering a competition this year. I'm looking at BDFPA as I want to lift raw and I don't use PEDs. Given that is a breakaway movement from BWLA, does that mean that they have a similarly anal approach to judging the lifts e.g. head must be on the bench, rack command, etc etc?

[Hellspawn]

they are a good choice if raw lifting is what you want, i dont think there is much if any difference in the basic rules but if anything the refereeing might be strictor

[Rob Thomas]

I'm interested in entering a competition this year. I'm looking at BDFPA as I want to lift raw and I don't use PEDs. Given that is a breakaway movement from BWLA, does that mean that they have a similarly anal approach to judging the lifts e.g. head must be on the bench, rack command, etc etc?

Yes mate, I think the BDFPA/WDFPA more or less follow the BWLA/IPF Rules.

[Tannhauser]

Damn, that means I've got to train myself to keep my head on the bench.

Thanks for the replies.

[Rob Thomas]

Damn, that means I've got to train myself to keep my head on the bench.

Thanks for the replies.

Check out the vids that Ger and Hanley posted today, they lift in the IDFPA which is the Irish branch of the WDFPA. That'll give you an idea of the rules on depth, pauses, techniques etc.

[bulldog]

robs post was close except the sqt depth is to break parallel in both feds but a lot of bwla refs are so old and blind they cant see and the lifter has to go a lot deeper ,both feds can suffer from lax judging at times the bpc can be more guilty of this at times but is getting a lot tighter,
in bpc you get a pause command on the chestto press and a rack command at the end,things like lifting your head are allowed but offers no advantage.
main diff bpc is more fun with music and shouting lol and a interest by the refs in the lifters where as bwla are more like strict 18th century teachers.
the good lifters in both feds are good powerlifters and would rise to the top ofwhatever fed they lift in,most of the fed bashers are people who arent that good and need an excuse

[Martin Flett]

Now that's not fair. Wether you like it or not, I'm sure that drug cheats (and they are cheats) participate in both BWLA and BDFPF.

Of course if they lift in the untested fed's fair play to them, they are just powerlifter's like you and I. (in my case I use the term "powerlifter" in the loosest possible sense).

In defence of Al, Finch (and I'm sure he can do it himself:p) he was referring to the perceived situation circa 1988 rather than today. I wasn't involved in the sport then, but having spoken to people who were, there were allegations/suspicions that BAWLA officials at the time were conniving with some lifters to help them avoid positive tests.

That led some of the clean ones to take a decision that they didn't want to compete against people they felt were both using peds and using the system, and so they formed their own fed, which evolved into what is today the BDFPA.

I think they would strongly dispute that it was anything to do with lifting standards, other than they were being beaten by people they felt were cheating.

[Hellspawn]

Cheers Martin that cleared that one up nicely.
The second major split was over the IPF and Ernie Frantz involved in a law suit which Frantz won this left the IPF with a heavy fine to pay which they skipped out of paying and were found in comptempt of court which meant they could no longer run their world championships in America as the court had declaired that any IPF official entering America would be arrested and held responcible for the unpaid fine which was the start of the WPC , little wonder there are so many sour grapes around.

[SCG]

A far wiser person than myself informed that BAWLA also split in the late 50s and the Society of Amateur Weightlifters was formed to cater for the Strength Set as BAWLA wasn't interested. Members include Ron Collins, Eddie Pengelly and Phil Stringer. They re-amalgamated with BAWLA in around 1966.

Alan is correct certainly as far as some of the weightlifters in the Guild were concerned - basically if you could lift more than them you must be taking something. Quite confusing as a new lifter who didn't really know what they were talking about.

[JIM MUTRIE]

Hi Guys
Everyone has their own views on this subject but Rob is right in that the rules are far stricter than in the BPC and that people should go and see a competition run by both associations and make up their own mind what suits them personally. I myself have refereed at all levels within the BWLA and IPF side of the sport including World and European championships so i know what the standards are within BWLA/IPF and i have also been along to a BPC competition and the only difference i see is the strictness of the reffing.And the drug testing set up within BWLA/IPF is one of the best around and the days of avoiding tests are finished no matter who you are.
Hope this helps the debate

[curt]

things like lifting your head are allowed but offers no advantage.


I disagree, getting weight down to my chest is hard without lifting the head up. Maybe just me.

[Phil R]

lol now the replies here will be good

still lol

[Rob Thomas]

Hi Guys
Everyone has their own views on this subject but Rob is right in that the rules are far stricter than in the BPC and that people should go and see a competition run by both associations and make up their own mind what suits them personally. I myself have refereed at all levels within the BWLA and IPF side of the sport including World and European championships so i know what the standards are within BWLA/IPF and i have also been along to a BPC competition and the only difference i see is the strictness of the reffing.And the drug testing set up within BWLA/IPF is one of the best around and the days of avoiding tests are finished no matter who you are.
Hope this helps the debate

Do you wear these tight underpants aswell then Jim LOL?

[MattGriff]

the good lifters in both feds are good powerlifters and would rise to the top ofwhatever fed they lift in,most of the fed bashers are people who arent that good and need an excuse

Bulldog hits the nail on the head! if they spent more time training right and seeking out advice from good and great lifters they wouldn't need to bash.

[Hellspawn]

I dont think you will ever stop fed bashing people just seem to love doing it but if we at least offer the real reasons why there are so many feds and what the reasons were for the splits then at least they can bash away for better informed reasons rather than the brainwashing ones provided by the people who were responcible for the divides in the first place

[SCG]

Bulldog hits the nail on the head! if they spent more time training right and seeking out advice from good and great lifters they wouldn't need to bash.

It's a sad reflection on the sport of powerlifting if the validity of a persons arguement or the depth of their knowledge is based upon how much they can squat, bench or total. Many of the "also rans" train just as hard if not harder than the winners, but simply don't have the genetic advantages the top lifters were born with.

[Hellspawn]

This is all Andy B's fault he started two posts and just look at all the bashing going on ha ha

just read this shite

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/7183

[dr_hazbun]

This is all Andy B's fault he started two posts and just look at all the bashing going on ha ha

just read this shite

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/7183


LOL! No, it's Vinny's fault he started this thread :D

Personally, I like the principles behind both feds and will support both. I did my first BWLA comps last year and really liked it but that's only because the people who taught me to lift were BWLA lifters.

[chris jenkins]

LOL! No, it's Vinny's fault he started this thread :D

Personally, I like the principles behind both feds and will support both. I did my first BWLA comps last year and really liked it but that's only because the people who taught me to lift were BWLA lifters.

Same for me mate,

I started lifting with BPC lifter's and enjoyed the comp's. Much more fun lifting with a bit of music and atmosphere, not taking anything away from any other fed.

good thread

[Hellspawn]

mmmm we missed one out
The GPC (yes you thought you had gotten away with it didnt u)
The GPC suddenly apeared one day when i was not paying attention i must have been reformatting a hard drive or something so i know bugarall about that fed apart from our good mate L B Baker runs it and is a prime fed basher himself of the first order.

[marcg]

mmmm we missed one out
The GPC (yes you thought you had gotten away with it didnt u)
The GPC suddenly apeared one day when i was not paying attention i must have been reformatting a hard drive or something so i know bugarall about that fed apart from our good mate L B Baker runs it and is a prime fed basher himself of the first order.
what about the IAWA:)

[MattGriff]

I think L B Baker was sacked/demoted or somthing for doing that.

[Hellspawn]

Do you know i had to google that one up ! didnt even know they existed

http://iawa.homestead.com/iawa.html

Well you learn something new every day :)

Personly i envy the WSA they got it cracked i just wished we had something here like that

[SOTB]

its what actualy happened , a group of BAWLA members broke away claiming everyone in BAWLA were drug users it gave me at the time the greatest amount of grief i have had to deal with half my team went over to the Guild and half stayed with me in BAWLA but you could cut the atmosphere with a knife it got so bad , of course not everyone in BAWLA were on drugs far from it and personly i thought it was just an excuse for their bad performances in not winning titles they had to find someone to blame apart from themselves.
This is the truth of the matter.

[Brian Batcheldor]

Both organizations have had refereeing issues in the past. In BWLA, I've watched old men judge lifters they couldn't even see and then refuse to give a reason for why their squats were turned down. I've also seen comps judged by only a centre ref, when there were insufficient willing refs in the area. However, I've also seen strict consistent lifting from others.
As regards BPC refereeing, we've also had problems in the past, but not anymore; our refereeing is strict! Ask anyone that went to last years British and just wait till this years. What you have to remember is that many of our refs are ex-BWLA refs or lifters.
Just a closing comment. Why the need for such asinine, bitter, snide comments about lifting kit, drugs or whatever. Forums are to exercise social skills and help the uninformed. Particularly when these limp dick losers appear to actually believe that the only thing seperating Andy B's or Del's deadlifting prowess from their own life time accomplishment of pulling up a heavy pair of Y-Fronts is a deadlift suit! We've got a couple of novice comps coming up shortly, there will be plenty of single ply guys there, -put your balls on the line and turn up at one of those. As for drugs, -don't even go there with that one. I've known and advised many of the lifters in the IPF record books. What do you think the difference between our lifters and the Eastern Europeans that seem to be cleaning up at the moment boils down to? You should know, -you're the first ones to criticize your fellow IPF lifters.

[Brian Batcheldor]

Do you wear these tight underpants aswell then Jim LOL?

Give me any athlete and I will 100% get him through a WADA test, -I've done it for as long as testing has existed. THG was one of only 6 compounds out there being used when it was identified. I was sat in on the original conversation about it. We were all at the Tyson-Golotta fight. I know who proposed it and it wasn't Conte (although he was there), I even know who finally made it. Yes, it's harder to lift what you want under such conditions, but many are still doing it successfully. Taking a compromised schedule is like being a little bit pregnant.

[Hellspawn]

Now its time for Steve Cannons 2p worth :)

[Martin Flett]

Off the top of my head, Steve doesn't have a 2p. He's bald and proud of it. I'll get my coat...

[Hellspawn]

Quote Brian: We've got a couple of novice comps coming up shortly, there will be plenty of single ply guys there, -put your balls on the line and turn up at one of those:)

Typical i go out an buy double ply ha ha, good move !

Martin's very sharp this moning :p

[Phil R]

Give me any athlete and I will 100% get him through a WADA test, -I've done it for as long as testing has existed. THG was one of only 6 compounds out there being used when it was identified. I was sat in on the original conversation about it. We were all at the Tyson-Golotta fight. I know who proposed it and it wasn't Conte (although he was there), I even know who finally made it. Yes, it's harder to lift what you want under such conditions, but many are still doing it successfully. Taking a compromised schedule is like being a little bit pregnant.

so for any of you guys who wany to beat the test and cheat see brian and he will sort out your drug cycles

[Hellspawn]

Agree that didnt look good but his far from being the only person who knows how its done Phil i seen it done that dont mean i agree with it but seeing is believing

[Phil R]

so for any of you guys who wany to beat the test and cheat see brian and he will sort out your drug cycles


Agree that didnt look good but his far from being the only person who knows how its done Phil i seen it done that dont mean i agree with it but seeing is believing
]

sorry guys but when i lift i want to lift with lifter who are subject to the same rules as me
but as BB says if you want to cheat see him and hellspawn said it goes on so best thing is i say both guys are BPC and obviously that is ok with the BPC.
i know there will never be a level platform but at least i know where you guys stand so brian as a guy who lets people around the test does it make you feel good, to let lifters cheat, but sayin that some lifter need that advantage and cheat to win, i lift and i agree with testin so why try to cheat and gain the advantage, if you guys who lift wpo/wpc/gpc dont want to be tested and want to do what ever you want then lift with then not lifter who are tested.
if this offends then "then i dont give a fuck"
i lift IPF they test and that is ok for me, why try to beat it
so if there is a probelm with what i say the tough
if you want to take gear why beat the test just lift with someone who dont TEST.
so it if goes on why not keep it quiet rather than broadcast it after all if you want to get stronger and beat the test brian is your man, he will help you beat the test

[Phil R]

So I Will Close This Now If You Want To Lift And Take Gear, Why Go Tested,

[Brian Batcheldor]

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sorry guys but when i lift i want to lift with lifter who are subject to the same rules as me
but as BB says if you want to cheat see him and hellspawn said it goes on so best thing is i say both guys are BPC and obviously that is ok with the BPC.
i know there will never be a level platform but at least i know where you guys stand so brian as a guy who lets people around the test does it make you feel good, to let lifters cheat, but sayin that some lifter need that advantage and cheat to win, i lift and i agree with testin so why try to cheat and gain the advantage, if you guys who lift wpo/wpc/gpc dont want to be tested and want to do what ever you want then lift with then not lifter who are tested.
if this offends then "then i dont give a fuck"
i lift IPF they test and that is ok for me, why try to beat it
so if there is a probelm with what i say the tough
if you want to take gear why beat the test just lift with someone who dont TEST.
so it if goes on why not keep it quiet rather than broadcast it after all if you want to get stronger and beat the test brian is your man, he will help you beat the test

I actually spoke from an historical angle about when I advised IPF lifters amongst other athletes. This was to justify that criticism of the BPC by certain organizations on its drug testing policy is unfair and hypocritical. Within the BPC, we advice no one on such policy, we do not endorse it and, most importantly, we do not have the luxury of funded testing even after establishing a bad track record. My challenge about testing was to make a point about how the existing system does not garauntee clean lifting.

[Phil R]

as some of yo9u guys want to carry on this the i have opened it, for me this forum is a good forum and there seems to be some fed bashin going on at times, issues aboutr who takes what and why are of no interest to me, it is ment to be about the lifting not the drugs and all that shit, i will go and watch a comp no matter who runs it i chose to lift with BWLA and the IPF, i dont sit here and slag other feds off or lifters cos he has been banned and i know they take this or that.
i am not blind to the fact there will always be someone who will want to beat the test, and lift alongside the lifters who are clean. i just dont think it should be talked about like it has done on an open topic.
why make our sport look shit to others who want to try it, let the lifters join whoever they want and make their choice of what they want. by talkin about tests and who is or is not clean on an open forum will only do damage to powerlifting, no matter who you lift with.....
so carry on guys by all means, sorry i locked it feel free to carry on your debate

[Welshdragon]

At the end of the day in powerlifting or any other sport tested or untested people who strive to be the best will always do or take whatever needs to be done to win!

[SCG]

At the end of the day in powerlifting or any other sport tested or untested people who strive to be the best will always do or take whatever needs to be done to win!

This simply isn't true. There are many people who strive to be the best, but still have the integrity not to cheat and break the rules.

[SCG]

I actually spoke from an historical angle about when I advised IPF lifters amongst other athletes. This was to justify that criticism of the BPC by certain organizations on its drug testing policy is unfair and hypocritical. Within the BPC, we advice no one on such policy, we do not endorse it and, most importantly, we do not have the luxury of funded testing even after establishing a bad track record. My challenge about testing was to make a point about how the existing system does not garauntee clean lifting.

The WPC/BPC allows lifters who are suspended by others to compete. As such you are in effect endorsing it.

[Welshdragon]

The Bpc are not the only fed that takes in members banned from other federations - This is not a endorsment its simple a fed that does not test and it is not the only fed that does not test!

What ever sport or fed you compete in the there will never be a level playing field!

[Hellspawn]

just a point but there is nothing to stop BWLA taking in any lifter banned by another federation either

[Dave Low]

Hello all, I have just been reading another post by Brian about "Testing" and in my opinion it sounds like a very good idea,I do believe that Brian has been around this game long enough to know what is really going on. But I also think that I have to accept and respect that there are a lot of lifters in BWLA and IPF who have strong opinions and really do believe that they are clean.
To be honest I train with lifters from both BPC and BWLA and have attended competitions run by both. I dont see any cheats, only super athletes doing all they can to lift as much as they can and as such think they should be applauded for doing so!
Anybody who thinks that the BPC refereeing is loose should come to the Welsh championships on April 12th and see, the squat judging is notoriously strict (at least thats what I say when they fail mine).
I aplogise if I have offended anyone with my posts but I am new to this site and haven't quite got the etiquette.

[SCG]

Under WADA rules which BWLA complies with it cannot take athletes who have been suspended for doping in other federations or in other sports.

[Martin Flett]

At the end of the day in powerlifting or any other sport tested or untested people who strive to be the best will always do or take whatever needs to be done to win!

We all strive to be the best we can be, whether that be best in the gym, best in the division, best in the country, best in the continent, best in the world, or just the best that we can be.

That statement suggests that everyone who succeeds in achieving their goals has cheated to do so and basically accuses a lot of guys who post on here and have become 'the best' of cheating.

I am the best in my age/weight category in the country in bench press and I've never even considered cheating to get there. In fact I fancy my chances against anyone my age and weight who has spent a lifetime 'cheating', because I reckon I'll be stronger and healthier. I'll even give away 10 kilos if anyone wants to take me up on it!

I said the rest of what I want to say on the other post that opened when this one was locked.

[Hellspawn]

enough of boring drugs how come no ones mentioned the main difference between the two federations is BWLA is mostly run by weight lifters (i use the term lightly as most of them dont actualy lift anything ** nooooo Al u mustnt say what else your thinking) and BPC is 100% powerlifting

[Rob Thomas]

To me it's simple. If you take drugs in a tested federation then you are a cheat, it doesn't matter who you are, where you come from, what colour pants you wear - end of story, you're a cheat.

Now if you take drugs and lift in a non-tested federation then I don't see anything wrong with that and lifters who do that have my full respect for doing so.

As posted elsewhere, I would imagine that the majority of lifters who take drugs and lift in the tested feds do so because they:

1. Can't beat the best in that tested fed
2. Can't beat the best in an untested fed either!

[Hellspawn]

cant argue with that Rob but drugs look rather small time compaired to a shirt that can put 400lb on certain peoples bench press yet next to nothing on someone elses

[Rob Thomas]

Ban shirts too then - I reckon I'd be good for 230+ if I put my mind to lifting without a shirt!

[Hellspawn]

Ban shirts too then - I reckon I'd be good for 230+ if I put my mind to lifting without a shirt!


i hate them personly do you remember when the original Blast shirt came out ? it was the worst piece of crap ever thought of i only got one because everyone else was using them and i didnt want them having an unfair advantage but i could actualy bench 37.5kg more without it

[bulldog]

robs post is good and no kit would be great ,but if you choose to lift in an equiped fed strangely enough you have to wear kit,i think our attitude across here is train raw then put kit on for comps but yanks for example spend a lot more time in kit and get a lot more from it

[cuntos]

Yeah, even though I'm biased, because I think Rob is a sexy, smoking HOT love machine!!!, he actually talks a fair amount of sense from time to time. He's pretty much summed up my attitude towards the whole situation too: Do whatever you like and are allowed to do, but don't cheat. Simple!

[tod]

hell spawn sounds like hes ready to branch off and start up his own fed, no shirts, no drugs, and no bitching about the refs :)

[Hellspawn]

Funny you should say that ha ha well not a federation but we were doing our own non santioned comps anyway and the lifters chose what kit they used and no one gave a toss about raw, single ply, double ply , drugs , booze, the only rule was you enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0svUV-0WfE

[Pork Pie]

Politics is a fact of life sadly, as the thread shows.

I take a view on these things but my main business is to have fun from powerlifting. I wish that more people would concentrate on doing the same.
Its a wise man who doesn't get sucked into these things - although I appreciate those that do often do so from the best of intentions.

I've got good mates in BWLA who suppport me in BPC (and formerly BPO) with help and advice and I hope I've returned the favour.:icon_wub:

Another reality is that a healthy BWLA supports the development of the BPC and vice versa. Andy Bolton is good for BWLA, BPC might not have seen Del and Dave Wightman lifting records in Bournemouth if it hadn't been for their start in BWLA. I might end up going back to BWLA eventually if I fail one of Brians medicals!:rolleyes:

Let's get back to talking about this years comps, what pissing squat shoes to wear, breaking PBs, the excitment of head to heads, that's what all the training and sacrifice should be about.

End of diatribe - Dai Squires:icon_pee:

[Martin Flett]

I take a view on these things but my main business is to have fun from powerlifting. I wish that more people would concentrate on doing the same.
Its a wise man who doesn't get sucked into these things - although I appreciate those that do often do so from the best of intentions.

:icon_pee:

I quite agree Dai. I'd rather use this and other forums to keep my training log, learn stuff, help others and have a bit of banter with like minded people. But every so often someone comes up with something you disagree with so profoundly that you feel you have to chip in - well I do anyway. Because if it doesn't get challenged then it sort of becomes the accepted wisdom/truth or whatever. You know lads that are clean and work their bollox off to get to the top in Britain better than I do and they deserve better than they've got on here over the past few days.

[Chris Robb]

[QUOTE=Brian Batcheldor;74929]Give me any athlete and I will 100% get him through a WADA test, -I've done it for as long as testing has existed./QUOTE]

Mr. Batcheldor,

Both your admission of long-time efforts in the subversion of WADA drug testing, and thereby your active support and promotion of the athletic drug culture, it is clear that you are trying to mislead everyone about wanting a level playing field. You may have it backwards, the level playing field you are referring to would be where all athletes were freely using banned substances, would it not?

As a CCES/WADA Doping Control Officer in Canada, and a competing powerlifter who chooses to follow the rules of the sport I compete in, I find your comments to be very offensive to say the least.

Chris Robb
IPF Cat. II

[eraserhead]

THG was one of only 6 compounds out there being used when it was identified. I was sat in on the original conversation about it. We were all at the Tyson-Golotta fight. I know who proposed it and it wasn't Conte (although he was there), I even know who finally made it. Yes, it's harder to lift what you want under such conditions, but many are still doing it successfully. Taking a compromised schedule is like being a little bit pregnant.
Hey Brian, Patrick Arnold commented on this post on another board:


Batcheldor is apparently confused. Nobody in the entire world knew what the chemical structure of THG was except for me (not even conte) until Catlin figured it out and announced it after the balco bust. Nor was i at the golotta fight nor did i consult with anyone when i made it


Your response?

[Brian Batcheldor]

The WPC/BPC allows lifters who are suspended by others to compete. As such you are in effect endorsing it.

Actually, that is technically incorrect. We do not reconize the policies, penalties or rules of other organizations, as they do not recognize ours. Most of our lifters have never lifted for BWLA and some, including myself, received life bans for competing in or organizing WPC affiliated events (there was only a 3 year ban for a positive test at the time). We do not have any interest in BWLA politics, as you should not in ours. However, we do allow lifters the total freedom to lift wherever they want. I'm in agreement with Phil R here, that's enough mud slinging about drug issues, as a scientist, it is way beyond the comprehension of most of you, including the fairness, accuracy and right to appeal. People need to stop thinking that drugs are the only thing that separates their less than impressive total from a champions. Sensible training, nutrition, restoration and lifestyle changes are the disciplines that could actually help their totals. As their ignorance is a fair indicator of their IQ, I would suggest they take a good look at these areas before they sound off! If drugs made championd, everyone would be a champion. If the WPC endorsed drugs, it wouldn't have a tested section. Feel free to enter that.

[Brian Batcheldor]

Hey Brian, Patrick Arnold commented on this post on another board:



Your response?

I never said that Patrick Arnold was at the fight, I just omitted the name of the person who was because he worked for FLEX, as I did at the same time.

[Brian Batcheldor]

[QUOTE=Brian Batcheldor;74929]Give me any athlete and I will 100% get him through a WADA test, -I've done it for as long as testing has existed./QUOTE]

Mr. Batcheldor,

Both your admission of long-time efforts in the subversion of WADA drug testing, and thereby your active support and promotion of the athletic drug culture, it is clear that you are trying to mislead everyone about wanting a level playing field. You may have it backwards, the level playing field you are referring to would be where all athletes were freely using banned substances, would it not?

As a CCES/WADA Doping Control Officer in Canada, and a competing powerlifter who chooses to follow the rules of the sport I compete in, I find your comments to be very offensive to say the least.

Chris Robb
IPF Cat. II

You see only what you want to see in my comments. Take a reality check. If you're offended, go read a Canadia forum!

[Hellspawn]

Yes Mr "look at me" IPF Ref i saw the BS you posted about me on that other forum bit stupid telling everyone to follow that link wasnt it ? it only proved you were lying and now you upset the Spawn bad move

[Chris Robb]

I have no idea what you are referring to. I have never made any posts regarding 'Hellspawn' or whoever you are. You must have the wrong person.

Regards,

[Chris Robb]

[QUOTE=Chris Robb;75291]

If you're offended, go read a Canadia forum!

Thanks for the tip Mr. Batcheldor, I shall do so. All the best to you in your endeavors.

Regards,

[Hellspawn]

think you dropped these

http://www.hirepgym.com/images/powerlifting/new-ipf-referee-briefs.gif

[Hellspawn]

Just to back up what i said this is what was posted


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Anonymous wrote:
it was BWLA/IPF members that started bringing drugs into the discussion and making statements that it was impossible to get round the drug test , the above comments were in responce to it , drugs is totaly boring and its about time they found something more interesting to discuss

Actually, it was a member by the name of hellspawn who started the drugs issue with a snide comment. Looking back through his posts, he seems to be a bitter ex-IPF lifter who now lfts with the BPC. The next time drugs are mentioned, it's by Batchellor so in fact, it was the BPC members who started the ball rolling on the drugs issue - goto the link below and check it out for yourself:

http://www.powerliftinguk.com/showthread.php?t=7514

I personally think that any public endorsment of the use of any kind of drug is disgusting and someone of this person's stature should know better.

Submitted by Jonathan Stewart on February 4, 2008 - 4:59pm. » quote
I'm going to agree with Chris on this issue. Mr.Batcheldor has concerns about the effectiveness of the IPF's drug testing program, which is valid, but to go on and say..."any athlete and I will 100% get him through a WADA test, -I've done it for as long as testing has existed." really mystified me. Why question a system if you have no interest in bettering it?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on February 4, 2008 - 5:01pm. » quote
Quote:Actually, it was a member by the name of hellspawn who started the drugs issue with a snide comment. Looking back through his posts, he seems to be a bitter ex-IPF lifter who now lfts with the BPC. The next time drugs are mentioned, it's by Batchellor so in fact, it was the BPC members who started the ball rolling on the drugs issue - goto the link below and check it out for yourself:

You need to get your facts right SCG started bringing drugs into the post he is an BWLA/IPF Officer, Hellspawn never mentioned them untill another BWLA / IPF Officer claimed the test could not be gotten around niether has Hellspawn ever lifted in the BPC

Submitted by Sean Katterle, Hardcore Powerlifting (not verified) on February 4, 2008 - 8:02pm. » quote
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Note that although he posted as Anonymous the reply's were directed to Chris !

[Rob Thomas]

I thought we were all through with fed bashing now - thread locked.