wpc florida

[andy bolton]

how many lifters plan on doing the wpc worlds this year in florida ,i will be there as will any lifters from leeds who qualify

[Justin Hurley]

I hope to be all healed up and ready to enter.

[Never-Satisfied]

I hope to be there, just got to do well at the British now.

[fletch]

out of interest, what are the qualifying totals for this? link?

[Never-Satisfied]

out of interest, what are the qualifying totals for this? link?

You have to qualify for the british.


Then at British you have to be top 3 in your group.


I think that's right.

[chris jenkins]

yes Andy mate.

[bulldog]

me i reckon

[AJ Roberts]

So KK screws you over with the whole FitExpo deal and you are still going to support him, i just don't get it guys?

[andy bolton]

so aj where should i lift wpc is still a cred fed you sugest gpc i could win with 800 or ipa which are always in ohio,what would you suggest

[SCG]

where should i lift wpc is still a cred fed you sugest gpc i could win with 800 or ipa which are always in ohio,what would you suggest

With the feeling there appears to be agaist the WPO/WPC I wonder how much competition there will be in Florida.

Why not have a go against Brian Siders? I'm sure everybody would like to see that.

[Hellspawn]

I think Brian & Dave Mannering should put some inputt into this at this point along with any other BPC venue organisers etc personly i dont jump ship unless there is no other choice in the matter

[AJ Roberts]

so aj where should i lift wpc is still a cred fed you sugest gpc i could win with 800 or ipa which are always in ohio,what would you suggest

I understand the dilemma, but I refuse to keep supporting KK. The lifters need to make a stand and demand change. We can not just allow KK to do as he pleases just because of the history of the WPC.

[SCG]

personly i dont jump ship unless there is no other choice in the matter

It's a bit late to jump ship, it's already sunk.

[Hellspawn]

It's a bit late to jump ship, it's already sunk.

i agree the WPO is down the pan and thats KK's fault i wasnt a member anyway but the BPC is another matter , personly i am not banned from BWLA but BWLA stopped letting 90% of my team compete and i support my team , now i have had it brought to my attention a certain BWLA official has upset one of my customers (not a lifter) and i had to stop him from punching the guys lights out now today i hear this same official has done the same thing again with one of my lifters and before long if he keeps this up i may just have to go have a word in his ear personly.
This is not the way things should be.

[andy bolton]

the bpc is as strong as ever also i think the wpc is still strong all the problems have been with money and that is linked to wpo yes i agree that but wpc does not pay money its 24 hr weigh in and records are still respectable,i will never do gpc or ipf so i will stay bpc and wpc,

[andy bolton]

also the way i see it i do a show,s that are best for me to do, not to support anybody else

[Keith Ellis]

had a quick look on BPC website but couldn't see it, whats the date of the comp?

[dbc3po]

Andy, I know allot of people would love for you to do Louie's next pro am so you, Vlad, and Donnie can go head to head and really push each other. The thing the WPO had was the strongest lifters on the same platform. It really seems that the pro/ams are starting to fill that place. But whatever you decide I know it will be for what fits you the best and for that I wish you all the best! Now take that squat record back!

[Never-Satisfied]

Tale the total record back as well!

[kyle]

well with most of the yanks having already wised up to the WPC and the europeans not likely to travel there i doubt it will be well contested,also,the wpo finals were always in the same place so whats the difference then in goin to the states for the IPA meets?

[RichEllis]

I'm keen to go Andy. That's the plan anyway. Surely now the merger of WPO and WPC (if indeed that is going ahead) will be a very positive move for all the lifters. This will surely make the WPC the premier meet of the year.

[THE VIKING]

The winning total for the GPC World's,Superheavyweight in 2006 was 1127.5 kg ! Well above 800 !

[Justin Hurley]

For 2007, wasn't the GPC 140+ total won with 805kg?

[Carl]

he was also the only entrant according to this

http://www.globalpowerliftingcommittee.com/results/2007_wk_power_pts.pdf

[andy bolton]

well with most of the yanks having already wised up to the WPC and the europeans not likely to travel there i doubt it will be well contested,also,the wpo finals were always in the same place so whats the difference then in goin to the states for the IPA meets?

the diff is wpo was at the arnold prob the bigest venue powerlifting has seen the pro am has been held in small rooms with little warm up areas and who are the top super heavies donnie is retired now chad wont do it again so that leaves just vlad,i dont see gpc being any better from what i have heard its pretty poorly run,and standard is not very high i will stay wpc dont really give a toss who,s there but i will take the sqt and total back this year

[andy bolton]

The winning total for the GPC World's,Superheavyweight in 2006 was 1127.5 kg ! Well above 800 !

my british record is more than that

[dbc3po]

Dang I didnt know Donnie had retired. I knew he was early mid 40's but I dint know he was ready to hang it up.

[mk luch]

why don't the big name lifters get together and start a pro fed? would it end up like KK's. Crap refereeing , empty purses , or my favourite new saying is a WPO squat(this has replaced the term "half squat" in a lot of gyms.)I've seen plenty +500 squats given that are so high its sad and +400 deadlifts with no knee lockout. Don't mention benches, or what could now be named the 90% bomb lift. If these great lifters could manage a technically correct 800 as scoffed at instead of bulls%"t 1200 kg fakes our sport may be respected.

[SCG]

For 2007, wasn't the GPC 140+ total won with 805kg?

And in 2007 wasn't the WPC Worlds won with 922.5kg - less than 11th place at the IPF Worlds.

[Neil Deighton]

And in 2007 wasn't the WPC Worlds won with 922.5kg - less than 11th place at the IPF Worlds.

Then again it was an 18 yr old kid not a senior lifter who won with that total. All other 140kg+ competed in the wpo show not the wpc show.

[Never-Satisfied]

My understanding is the best amatuers in the world compete in the WPC and the best pros compete in the WPO.

[Rob Thomas]

My understanding is the best amatuers in the world compete in the WPC and the best pros compete in the WPO.

I'm sure that the likes of Siders, Bonderenko and Gillingham to name but a few would have something to say about that LOL! Perhaps you should have worded that one a bit better!

[SOTB]

My understanding is the best amatuers in the world compete in the WPC and the best pros compete in the WPO.
Well Matt Saunders competes in the WDFPF and he is a ten-time World Champion. I think that's a world record or something, so choose your words more carefully in future Never-Satisfies, because you have just pissed off a lot of people here who lift with that fed.

[Ryan_W]

Matt's won the worlds 11 times ;)

[SCG]

Well Matt Saunders competes in the WDFPF and he is a ten-time World Champion. I think that's a world record or something, so choose your words more carefully in future Never-Satisfies, because you have just pissed off a lot of people here who lift with that fed.

Not sure that's really the same. Siders could easily be claimed to be the best in the World, wheras whilst Matt is a great lifter and the best in the WDFPF - there were seven lifters with higher totals than him in the IPF Worlds at 100kg last year.

[Pork Pie]

Not sure that's really the same. Siders could easily be claimed to be the best in the World, wheras whilst Matt is a great lifter and the best in the WDFPF - there were seven lifters with higher totals than him in the IPF Worlds at 100kg last year.

I know you are a supporter of IPF - nothing wrong with that. However, in all honesty how many of the top, top foreign IPF folks are really drug free? I am not bashing IPF, the lifters there are still top draw but you can't compare them to WDFPF lifters in the same breath (in my opinion).

By the way, I am a defender of domestic BWLA competition as being as drug free as you can get but personally do not believe that Eastern bloc or all the Yanks are clean - I accept they are clean on day of competition by the way. Same goes for weightlifting - don't tell me the Turks and the Iranians are drug free.

[SOTB]

Not sure that's really the same. Siders could easily be claimed to be the best in the World, wheras whilst Matt is a great lifter and the best in the WDFPF - there were seven lifters with higher totals than him in the IPF Worlds at 100kg last year.
Oh, I didn't realise that.

I was in the officers' mess the other night and heard someone describe Squadron Leader Saunders as the greatest powerlifter that ever lived. But when you look at it like that, the standards in the WDFPF are pretty poor, aren't they?

Thank you for bringing that to our attention SCG, because some people might have believed it otherwise. I for one did and I feel pretty foolish now, I can tell you.

[Hellspawn]

LMFAO :p Nothing beats a good bun fight SOBT going for the jugular SCG polishing BWLA's halo and the eastern europeans get the blame for everything makes me laugh anyway

[Ryan_W]

Matt's a Chief Tech (non-commissioned officer) not a Sqn Ldr! lol... He works for a living ;)

I'm sure Matt's 880kg total would be well on it's way to 1000kg if he to wear and master triple ply equipment, opposed to single ply...

[SOTB]

Matt's a Chief Tech (non-commissioned officer) not a Sqn Ldr! lol... He works for a living ;)

I'm sure Matt's 880kg total would be well on it's way to 1000kg if he to wear and master triple ply equipment, opposed to single ply...
When did the IPF start allowing multi-ply equipment? This is the first I've heard of it!

I know Matt's not actually a Squadron Leader, but Squiffy and Bovril think he should be, given his multiple World Champion status, and have written to Air Chief Marshall Sir Jock Stirrup to tell him so!

They'll be inconsolable once I let them know that the WDFPF is actually no more than the Conference League of powerlifting. I'm gutted.

[Never-Satisfied]

I said ''my understanding'' in my post. My understanding is obviously wrong, so let's not take it too seriously.

[Carl]

When did the IPF start allowing multi-ply equipment? This is the first I've heard of it!

I know Matt's not actually a Squadron Leader, but Squiffy and Bovril think he should be, given his multiple World Champion status, and have written to Air Chief Marshall Sir Jock Stirrup to tell him so!

They'll be inconsolable once I let them know that the WDFPF is actually no more than the Conference League of powerlifting. I'm gutted.

who are you sotb? who do you lift with?

[MattGriff]

who are you sotb? who do you lift with?

He is 'The Son of Triple B' didn't you know that?

[Funky_monkey]

S O T B

The Son of Triple B

[James Copping]

I know you are a supporter of IPF - nothing wrong with that. However, in all honesty how many of the top, top foreign IPF folks are really drug free? I am not bashing IPF, the lifters there are still top draw but you can't compare them to WDFPF lifters in the same breath (in my opinion).

By the way, I am a defender of domestic BWLA competition as being as drug free as you can get but personally do not believe that Eastern bloc or all the Yanks are clean - I accept they are clean on day of competition by the way. Same goes for weightlifting - don't tell me the Turks and the Iranians are drug free.

So because they are better they must be on drugs? Maybe their training programs are better? Maybe the weightlifting culture is much bigger in their countries so more people participate in it, if you reach the top level of weightlifting in those countries you pretty much get celebrity status, Hossein Reza Zadeh's wedding was broadcast on live TV in iran. I'm trying to say that they have more drive to win, because of the possible benefits they will recieve.

For that same reason more people participate in the sport in those countries. The more people that do it the more likely you are to find a genetic freak that can just dominate their sport.

[Hellspawn]

James makes a very good point , from what i see going on here the eastern europeans take sport a lot more seriously generaly than we do its not that they have better training than we have because most of them have never seen some of the kit we use but they have a lot of drive when they train its great having them around in a gym they get everyone else training harder and more frequently not to mention they try to get others involved in the sport which increases members to both the gyms and federations

[Funky_monkey]

They try to get others involved in the sport which increases members to both the gyms and federations

Excellent point raised there. Many people bash foreign lifters. I work in a gym myself which has seen a lot of Polish immigrants coming in. They still pay their money, so the gym does better and can get more equipment and cater better for ALL users. Unfortunately I work in a council owned gym so the money doesn't go on new stuff, but in most privately owned gyms like yours, they're a massive benefit.

[MattGriff]

Nah! Its all about the drugs! Drugs for breakfast, drugs for lunch and drugs for tea.
They haven't used of got the equipment because they spend all thier money on drugs, its a well known fact

[Funky_monkey]

I know you are a supporter of IPF - nothing wrong with that. However, in all honesty how many of the top, top foreign IPF folks are really drug free?

I accept they are clean on day of competition by the way.

Nope, I know for a fact that it is possible to pass a drugs test on competition day. There are many kits that bodybuilders often use to pass drugs tests, as well as home testing kits to see if your urine is clean. I just googled in "pass drugs test" and this is the first result that came up.

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/

I'm not endorsing people use drugs because they can pass as i feel it completely unfair that one can use drugs in a drug free federation, but my point is i know it's VERY feasable for some of the elite "drug free" lifters to not actually be drug free.

[Pork Pie]

Couple of quick points.

The amount of the numbers of lifters and their priotisiation given to lifting helps an awful lot. I agree with that point. The Russian championships take place over three or four days - huge number of participants for a well known and well resourced sport.

Its still the drugs that make the biggest difference though in my opinion. I don't want to name names but look at some of the very top IPF numbers (foreign) - are they drug free?

I'm not anti Eastern European at all. Quite the lefty is PP.

The British lifters I know who have lifted in BWLA whilst using drugs, used the timing out method to be clean on comp day. And I'm talking Sports Council sponsored Commonwealth weightlifters here, not just tin pot powerlifters. They are now either banned or retired after the WADA guidelines started to be applied - British sport has cleaned up a lot.

[Hellspawn]

mmm i dont think they all retired or got banned PP try testing a few referee's and see what you find

[Pork Pie]

The one's that I know personally are no longer lifting....and I couldn't possibly comment on someone I don't know! Lol!

[Hellspawn]

Believe it or not i used to be a real crusader against drugs i was totaly anti but i just gave up worrying about it in the end now i just dont care if others are using something or not i just want to lift and its my personal performance i am interested in not anyone elses so it dont matter either way i got no sour grapes about it i still win so who cares ?

[DEL]

Not sure that's really the same. Siders could easily be claimed to be the best in the World, wheras whilst Matt is a great lifter and the best in the WDFPF - there were seven lifters with higher totals than him in the IPF Worlds at 100kg last year.


You really think Siders could beat Andy Bolton? You got to be joking!

[Hellspawn]

Sidders is a great subject to speculate about he didnt mind getting himself banned so he could compete in the Arnold and other strongman comps did he ? now that would get me speculating as to how drug free he is

[gerthebear]

just on the eastern European thing:


there are plenty of EE's in our gym and all sound lads. i remember one telling me that in the eastern block. at a young age you are told by you school what sport you will do. they have various tests which are given to young men and women an from that they decide which sport suits them best. im sure its based on flexibility and strength etc.

so from that, they then train at the sport chosen for them and the best survive. im sure in later life they have more of a decision. but all the teens and juniors are probably at sporting events because they are told too..

so you are right about the EE's benefits for being the best. Belyaev - the 90kgs IPF champ and other EEs are example of benefits because if they break world records in powerlifting or weightlifting or any other sport. they are financially award. this why Belyaev only broke the squat record by a small amount, he can re-break it next year

[SCG]

You really think Siders could beat Andy Bolton? You got to be joking!

If they lifted tomorrow I think Siders would beat Andy if it was under IPF rules and Andy may beat Brian under WPC/WPO rules.

However if Brian learned to use WPO/WPC kit and adapted himself to their rules I see no reason why you would not expect him to put as much on his total as the other IPF lifters who have gone across to the WPO recently – Yarymbash for example put 120kg on his total and Kutchers went up by nearly 170kg– that would give Siders a total of well over 1300kg. When Jeff Lewis who’s best total in the WPO is only a couple of kilos behind Andy returned to the IPF he totalled 1040kg – 142kg less than Brian’s record. Donnie Thompson who has just taken the total record was also beaten by Brian when they competed.

I don’t suppose they will lift against each other in the near future so we will never actually know. All we can do is go on all the evidence from other lifters who have switched Feds recently and then draw our own conclusions as to what would happen.

[Hellspawn]

if Sidders fancied the idea he wouldnt have gone back to the unpaid IPF and there is a certain other young man i know who does fancy his chances at getting what he see's as his world record back and is being very quiet at moment and not letting me know what his got planned

[gerthebear]

If they lifted tomorrow I think Siders would beat Andy if it was under IPF rules and Andy may beat Brian under WPC/WPO rules.

However if Brian learned to use WPO/WPC kit and adapted himself to their rules I see no reason why you would not expect him to put as much on his total as the other IPF lifters who have gone across to the WPO recently – Yarymbash for example put 120kg on his total and Kutchers went up by nearly 170kg– that would give Siders a total of well over 1300kg. When Jeff Lewis who’s best total in the WPO is only a couple of kilos behind Andy returned to the IPF he totalled 1040kg – 142kg less than Brian’s record. Donnie Thompson who has just taken the total record was also beaten by Brian when they competed.

I don’t suppose they will lift against each other in the near future so we will never actually know. All we can do is go on all the evidence from other lifters who have switched Feds recently and then draw our own conclusions as to what would happen.

very well said. and they are constructive and valid points.

in fairness though. Kutcher has gotten stronger overall. especially in the deadlift. i think his best IPF was 315ish as opposed to pulling 360 2 years ago with WPO. the deadlift isnt something that takes that much of a jump with equipment. andy would still pull 420+ if he was to go to the IPF. in fact, a previous thread this came up and andy himself commented saying "whats the point in going to the ipf and doing a 460 squat and 420+ pull" it'll never happen. i reckon siders would go WPC before Andy would change feds.

on a side:
mike ruggeria joined single ply USPF and his best squat was 1050 in double ply and recently done 722lbs missing 804 on depth in single ply.

[SCG]

if Sidders fancied the idea he wouldnt have gone back to the unpaid IPF and there is a certain other young man i know who does fancy his chances at getting what he see's as his world record back and is being very quiet at moment and not letting me know what his got planned

I think you'll find Brian earns a lot more from his lifting in the IPF than the so called Pro's in the other Federations.

Also money isn't every thing. Wade Hooper won substantial money in the WPO (when they were still paying people) but still chose to stay in the IPF

[Hellspawn]

what i meant was he had the opertunity to challenge while he was still banned (if he had wanted to) but didnt and he had the added avantage that the place to do it was in america while if Andy wants to compete at that level he has all the expence etc of traveling

[SCG]

what i meant was he had the opertunity to challenge while he was still banned (if he had wanted to) but didnt and he had the added avantage that the place to do it was in america while if Andy wants to compete at that level he has all the expence etc of traveling

He didn't have the opportunity to challenge whilst he was banned if he wished to lift again in the IPF - I think it's a four year suspension for competing whilst banned. This isn't unique to the IPF but happens in all sports which follow WADA rules.

[Hellspawn]

this same conversation has just broken out all over powerlifting watch and its very amusing switching back and forth reading the comments

[Carl]

S O T B

The Son of Triple B


im the son of some bloke called ian, doesnt answer the quesion of who i am


isnt SOTB the guy who squatted in jeans?

[mk luch]

Siders all the way. Single ply, two ply or poly ply. He in the envyable position where he has great squats bench and deadlift. He squats leagal and locks out his knees deadlifting. Something Andy would bomb out on if refereeing was up to scratch.
Siders single ply total will be +1200kg his WPO openers would 1250 at least.

[James Copping]

Siders all the way. Single ply, two ply or poly ply. He in the envyable position where he has great squats bench and deadlift. He squats leagal and locks out his knees deadlifting. Something Andy would bomb out on if refereeing was up to scratch.
Siders single ply total will be +1200kg his WPO openers would 1250 at least.

Thanks for the intellegent input.

Die.

[Hellspawn]

Apart from Phil Phister Sidders must be the strongest natural drug free athlete in the world its amazing what two tea spoon fulls of creatine can achieve

[dr_hazbun]

Siders all the way. Single ply, two ply or poly ply. He in the envyable position where he has great squats bench and deadlift. He squats leagal and locks out his knees deadlifting. Something Andy would bomb out on if refereeing was up to scratch.
Siders single ply total will be +1200kg his WPO openers would 1250 at least.

Both great lifters . Very difficult to compare as they will probably never face off.

BUT Bolton is the better lifter in my opinion, and I'm not saying this cause I'm supporting a fellow Brit. I also have issues with your suggestion that Bolton isn't an all rounder like Siders and that he doesn't lock his knees. Have you been watching the same vids I have??

[SCG]

"There will always be a critic"

You can't please everyone, so just ignore the shit talkers.

Discusing who is the best is a normal part of sport, particularly when you know the athletes are unlikely to ever compete (eg who was better Tyson or Ali). The fact that you believe one may be better doesn't mean you're talking "shit" about the other.

Andy and Brian are both unbelievably lifters. It's just a pitty we are unlikely to see them competing against each other. Who knows if the Federations weren't divided you could easily imagine them having won 2 a piece competing for a decider for the $100,000 winner takes all jackpot. There's certainly enough money in the sport if it wasn't so fragmented and just imagine how much interest that would generate for the sport.

[chris jenkins]

Not to bash anybody, but I think Andy is a strong individual and could adapt to single ply gear. Regardless of the fact Andy uses multi ply equipment he is still improving, knee's unlocked or not I havent seen anybody else get that far up on the deadlift with 455kg's have you? He trains on a regular bar not a deadlift bar. His bench is still improving and so is his squat. I'm not defending Andy but I think put the pressure on him to do somthing and he always answers. Look at when Benni took his wr deadlift, I was watching it. I myself did not think that he was able to come back and pull 441kg yet he did and proved us all wrong. Andy is the type of individual who thrives on improving when the bar is rised higher.

On the other hand you have Brian Sider's who is just a freak of nature and fantastic lifter. I think if they did meet it would be a great showdown and even if Andy did lose to Sider's Andy would respond by doing what he can to beat him. EIther way fantastic lifter's, dont think we should bash either if or until they meet. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is a great topic. Powerlifting need's battles to make it exciting.

[Dave Low]

Hello All,
I have never read such a load of horsecock!
There is only one way to determine who the better lifter is and that is to look at their totals.
One-ply, two-ply,120-ply! IPF, WPC,WPO, it makes no difference.If anyone thought that they could have the worlds biggest totals by moving to more favourable federation, and it was that simple, don't you think they would be doing it! of course they would.
Its a case of put up or shut up!
Andy Bolton is the best by numbers alone! Oh and by the way I have read the squat depth rules of both WPC and IPF and they are the same. The difference lies in the fact that the WPC interprets them correctly being that in is in and do not make people drop down inches below parallel as they do in the IPF.

As for the drugs question, PLEASE! read the words of the best ever powerlifter Ed Coan when asked if he had ever used any. "Nobody is going to be able to squat 1000lbs without some help"
Surely there is no-one out there so naive as to think that drugs are not an essential part of any strength orientated sport.

I remember at one of my early competitions talking to a competitor and him telling me he was lifetime drugfree. I asked my experienced friend what that meant and he said it means he has been getting his drugs free all of his life.

In fact when I asked why my mate did not compete in the IPF he told me that he could not afford to buy all of the drugs and go through all the messing about that the IPF lifters have to do to keep passing the drugs tests.

Anyway just my opinion.

[Hellspawn]

Sidders v Bolton cant see that ever happening unless Sidders slips up on a test , personly i would sooner watch Magnussen v Bolton on the deadlift which is much more likely if not inevitable (Benny might be quiet but his not finished yet) and Benny is great entertainment.

[SCG]

Hello All,
I have never read such a load of horsecock!
There is only one way to determine who the better lifter is and that is to look at their totals.
One-ply, two-ply,120-ply! IPF, WPC,WPO, it makes no difference.If anyone thought that they could have the worlds biggest totals by moving to more favourable federation, and it was that simple, don't you think they would be doing it! of course they would.
Its a case of put up or shut up!
Andy Bolton is the best by numbers alone! Oh and by the way I have read the squat depth rules of both WPC and IPF and they are the same. The difference lies in the fact that the WPC interprets them correctly being that in is in and do not make people drop down inches below parallel as they do in the IPF.

As for the drugs question, PLEASE! read the words of the best ever powerlifter Ed Coan when asked if he had ever used any. "Nobody is going to be able to squat 1000lbs without some help"
Surely there is no-one out there so naive as to think that drugs are not an essential part of any strength orientated sport.

I remember at one of my early competitions talking to a competitor and him telling me he was lifetime drugfree. I asked my experienced friend what that meant and he said it means he has been getting his drugs free all of his life.

In fact when I asked why my mate did not compete in the IPF he told me that he could not afford to buy all of the drugs and go through all the messing about that the IPF lifters have to do to keep passing the drugs tests.

Anyway just my opinion.

This is the sort of stupid comments that cause people in different federations to fall out.

I just wonder if you can explain, giving your obvious very limited think ability, why you believe Ed Coan is the best powerlifter ever (I do think he is) when so many double and triple ply lifters have out totalled him? Given what you say he is clearly no where near as good as these modern lifters.

[JIM MUTRIE]

Hi Guys
I think the point of other countries taking the sport a bit more seriously than us is very valid in that they take youngsters in and teach them everything about that sport wether or not they are good is determined and they are rejected or not.I spoke to some russian ipf lifters a few years ago and apparently they have a powerlifting academy just outside moscow where there are 1200 being taught the usual subjects as well as powerlifting with a waiting list of 4000-5000 on average.Some of the exceptional lifters from russia are a product (for want of a better word) of this set up including Balyeav and Furashkin who everyone knows are strong guys immaterial of your preference of federation.I unfortunately believe that some of these lifters are not clean and i think that they should compete in a federation that allows them to compete with others in the same position and give the guys who are genuinally clean an opportunity to win against other clean lifters and not just those that profess to be clean.

[Rob Thomas]

Why does everything have to come down to gear all the time? If we are going to compare great lifters accross feds then why do we need to keep bringing up the gear issue?

Surely, things like equipment used, rules etc. would play the biggest factors?

Just about every thread I look at these days is saying "and do you think he's not taking anything?" - who gives a fuck! Until someone who lifts in a tested fails or refuses a test then why do we need to question it all the time? You are bound to get people who want to cheat and hopefully, they wil get caught and kicked out.

Comparing some of the worlds top lifters such as Andy and Siders is bound to happen and is also an interesting point. I'm sure that Andy may well have contributed too at some point but I doubt he will now. Why the fuck can't we just do it without all the bitching?

This is a DISCUSSION FORUM - so discuss and stop the bitching and fed bashing!

[J Power]

No one judges things by numbers alone,all performances are judged by the conditions they are done under.
How about a 100 metres downhill race with a wind tunnel behind you,if you just beat the 100 metres record time doing it that way would that make you better than the record holder at the moment ?
Ed Coans records may be beaten but that does not make him the best.
The same goes for a lot of other great lifters kaz,kuc,etc etc

[suffolkmike]

OH DEAR . what a forum. what we should remember is that we should be lifting for ourselves and our own personal goals and achievements. drugs or no drugs it dont matter really does it. if you do waver to the dabbling of substances it will come back to haunt you will maybe some serious health issues.up to you if you want to take that risk! how much are YOU really capable of lifting??? thats the challenge ! !

[Ryan_W]

Here's you lot arguing (or should I say 'debating') about feds, lifters, equipment, drugs etc etc......

I'm sitting here worrying if I'll be able to squat 140kg on Sat!!!....

This should be all about personal goals and ambitions we have and to continue to better ourselves and strive for those extra few Kg's no matter what the factors may be...

All I'm trying to say is not to rise to someones personal opinions if they conflict with yours... I think that Mr Bolton would be quite dissapointed if he were to read this thread and see how his name has been thrown about...

He's amazing at what he does, a role-model for people like myself... I don't give a damn if he's wearing multi-ply equipment, what fed he lifts for, if he's on any sort of performance enhancing drugs. To me he's an icon and that's all I care about. I don't try to tell others he's the be all and end all of powerlifting, they have their favourites as do I... Do you try and tell your friends that your football/rugby team are the best and the only one to support? Without challenge we would have a very stale sport...



Anyway, I'm off to the gym to try my best to acheiving my next goal...

Ryan

[Carl]

lol ryan

im going to squat 180 tomorrow will be a big PB and the ends of an excellent training week

i think andy has the ability to beat anyone in any conditions, he just seems to have the drive and desire to be the best in the world

also i think if someone wants to be the best lifter in the world, they need to beat the best lifter in the world in their fed....

you can say siders will beat whoever, but if he doesnt want to lift against andy, then thats upto him, andy shouldn't have to go and chase people who think there as good as him

[Rob Thomas]

blah blah blah drugs, feds, equipment, Andy, Siders. It's all been said and said and I for one am getting bored of it so I'm going to use the super powers assigned to me by Justin the Superstar and I'm locking this fucking thread.