New IPF benching rule regarding lockouts

[James Copping]

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/7104

"Uneven extension of 20 degrees is not allowed"

Opinions?

I dont really get it and the vid just (IMO) shows a non locked out bench to be illegal, not an uneven bench. Bit confusing really.

[Hellspawn]

Oh well everything i do someone thinks its ileagal anyway so one more thing wont matter :)

its going to make things very hard specialy with an injury not to mention some people have arms a bit shorter one side than other

[Pork Pie]

[url]Opinions?

Yeah, the IPF will invent a rule for how long your hair can be next. Its like being a fucking schoolboy lifting under their rules - and the judges love enforcing the rules, the dafter the better.

This is nothing against the BWLA boys who post on here who are a top bunch.

[Hellspawn]

is the ref gonna nip over quick and put a spirit level on the bar before giving the rack command ?

[Mark Robinson]

Thats what I was wondering.... how plausible is the idea of judging the angle of a moving object to such a degree, especially if the angle of the bar is changing as well as its position.

[fletch]

20 degrees, theres not much in 20 degrees, little harsh i reckon! i would hate to bench in ipf rules, no head off bench, feet flat on floor etc. mehhh

[Martin Flett]

its going to make things very hard specialy with an injury not to mention some people have arms a bit shorter one side than other

Agreed. And don't forget that for every one like that, there's people with one arm longer one side than the other as well.

[Hellspawn]

i just tried clicking on that link again and all i get now is "Access denied
You are not authorized to access this page" are the IPF now taking it further and keeping yet more new rules secret from us as a supprise ?


weird just tried it again its let me back in ?

[fletch]

i just don;t know why they keep trying to turn a sport which should be pretty damn simple, into some overly complicated mess!

[Hellspawn]

just wait till they start tweaking your arse with a set of calipers to see what % is on or off the bench !

[Never-Satisfied]

I think it's a good rule but that's just me.

Will make sure people actually lock out.

[James Copping]

Its not regarding the actual lockout mate, its regarding the bar path on the way up, it has to be under 20% "wonky" whatever that is, thats how I read it anyway.

[MattGriff]

So whats the score on 17.87346% on the lockout, are they going to equip the judges with special maths glasses or do you think they coulod just take the sticks out of thier arse and use thier anus for shitting rather than making decisions?

[Never-Satisfied]

Its not regarding the actual lockout mate, its regarding the bar path on the way up, it has to be under 20% "wonky" whatever that is, thats how I read it anyway.

ah I understand! Sounds a bit extreme.

stupid example: What happens if one person has one arm longer than the other!?

[James Copping]

ah I understand! Sounds a bit extreme.

stupid example: What happens if one person has one arm longer than the other!?

Exactly!

[Funky_monkey]

The 20% one isn't fully locked out, so i don't think it should pass. I thought the rule should have been implemented without saying, but i think it's about time something was written down in the book. IPF are a bit anal but i think this is a good move.

[gerthebear]

The 20% one isn't fully locked out, so i don't think it should pass. I thought the rule should have been implemented without saying, but i think it's about time something was written down in the book. IPF are a bit anal but i think this is a good move.

good post, they're basically imposing the unmention imposed. to shorten it simply is. all lifts must be locked out fully..

..but what in the case of those who have got full extension in the arm? i know 2 people who have this. the general rule was that the lifter points out their full lockout to the head judge before they sit on the bench..

[cuntos]

Not sure what you've been smoking Ger, but I can't decipher your post - lol! :D

As for your point about (I think) people who can't straighten their arms, there's been a rule in place to deal with that for a long time. I *believe* you need a doctor's note, but you also have to show the judges before each bench and then, if your arms magically straighten on the deadlift, they will rightly kick your arse!

Gavin Walker (the legendary MC from BWLA Brits, IPF Worlds, etc) has this problem, but his arms also remain bent when he deadlifts. I think it's from playing rugger when he was younger, although I might have made that last bit up!

As far as the immoderate extension rule goes, I thought it had been removed. Now it seems as though it may be reintroduced. I can't be arsed to watch the vid though...

[SCG]

Taken in conjunction with the T.C. Newsletter this video seems to simply be trying to explain the rules relating to what is acceptable when a lifter cannot straighten their arms. Lifters who do not have medical problems still have to extend their arms fully.



If anatomically, the arms cannot be fully extended the lifter must produce a certificate issued by the Medical Committee. The application form can be found on the IPF Website.The maximum allowable is 15 degrees out of true.


I do wonder how referees are suppose to tell how much of the buttocks (now needs to be 50% to get a start signal) should be on the bench whilst keeping the lifter waiting for a start signal. One side of this picture is apparently OK whilst the other is not. Rulers and calculators at the ready I guess.

[Rob Thomas]

All the percentages bit does sound stupid and I think it will be difficult to enforce but then again, a bench press isn't a bench press unless it's properly locked out.

If you have a genuine reason as to why you can't fully lock out one arm then as Tom says above, there are procedures that you can follow to sort it out. If someone doesn't bother getting the doctors note or doesn't tell the head ref before he lifts then that's his fault and deserves to get red lighted.

I think a lot of this is down to the shirts giving too much to the lifter and perhaps this is one of the ways that some people at the IPF are "fighting back" after the rule to ban the shirts was kicked out?

I personally don't see what all the fuss is about, just make sure you fully lock out properly and you'll be fine. If you don't lock out properly then the weight was probably too heavy. At the end of the day, Id rather know that I've done a "proper" bench press with 265kgs instead of an "almost" bench press with 280kgs.

[Hellspawn]

Ah thats why Dale has been on a diet i was wondering how he was going to get 50% of his arse on the bench :p his gonna kill me

[Rob Thomas]

Ah thats why Dale has been on a diet i was wondering how he was going to get 50% of his arse on the bench :p his gonna kill me

BAD BOY! He's smaller than me now (or so he says...)

[Hellspawn]

Original poster went away for a quick comflam with John Stevens then came back with this

IPF Publishes Demonstration For Max Allowances For Elbow TUE's

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/7104

[Hanley]

It's amazing what a post on a forum can do... Especially when the person gets it wrong. The amount of outcry on the 'net about this latest "rule" was unreal. And it turns out it was something completley different to what PLwatch originally posted it about....

Lol to SCG's attatchment tho, looks like the guy on the right is stuck up the arse of the guy on the left!