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Justin Hurley
10-03-2006, 01:00 PM
By Shawn Boylan
For EliteFTS.com

I've heard every excuse in the book on why you cannot train in the same manner as Westside Barbell. I have heard people say that you need to compete in certain federations, that you have to wear powerlifting equipment or that you have to use drugs. My opinion is that all of these excuses are bullshit. Many people will not learn anything about what they are doing, go through the motions and then say it doesn't work. I am far from an elite lifter. My best total is 1465lbs at 220lbs. I will show you how I came about using the Westside system and how it has helped me.
I started lifting to get stronger for football. While I enjoyed doing it, I didn't know anything. My training partner and I used to go page to page in Franco Columbo's book "Winning Bodybuilding". We would be in my basement for 2-3 hours at a time.

For many years after that I followed various routines found in any of the bodybuilding publications. After years of getting nowhere fast. I found an old issue of Powerlifting USA in my father-in-law's basement. I started reading it and soon found a gym that had the kind of equipment and atmosphere needed (Ironsport Gym, Glenolden, PA.) The owner is a former World's Strongest Man competitor and professional Highland Games athlete. On top of that there are many athletes, powerlifters, strongman competitors, etc. I then ordered a subscription to PLUSA and started to scour the magazine from front to back gathering info. I started out using some of the periodized routines, but soon found that when I got to the heavy weeks I usually ended up missing lifts or hurting myself. I had read a lot of Louis Simmons old articles and didn't really understand a lot of what he was writing about.

I then began to purchase the Westside Barbell videos. This is when things started to change, I began using some of the principles and ideas and I began to get stronger. I made the usual mistakes, too heavy on speed day, not straining on the max effort day, doing way too many exercises. At one point, I was doing the main work then for assistance I was doing 3 or 4 exercises for each body part. I ended up finding an article written by Dave Castor about Louis Simmons and his training methods. It had everything broken down and was easy to understand. I soon was finding info all over the place. Matt Hawkins had a Westside routine broken down all the way to the" extra workouts". I started to understand that speed was more important than the weight on the dynamic day, and I learned how to strain and not pick my favorite max effort exercises every time I went to the gym. I basically started to do the training the way it was supposed to be done. When something stopped working, I switched it up. The main thing like figuring out your weak points is easy to do. Your weak points are weak points whether you wear gear or not.

Some people have trouble going from a box squat to a regular squat. This is easy to overcome if your form is good. Have a coach or seasoned lifter watch your form and make adjustments as needed. You don't need to worry about a carryover because you are not using gear. Training Westside raw, there are some minor adjustments you may want to make. On the bench I would do the dynamic day exactly the same way a gear lifter would. Just remember that you are going for speed and explosiveness on this day. Leave the heavy weights for the max effort day. Every week I would alternate full range max effort moves with partial range moves. The accessory and supplemental lifts consisted of exercises for the triceps, upper back, lats and shoulders.

Squatting is a little tricky. If you are not used to box squatting all the time, it will throw you off when you go to a meet. My advice would be to do some squatting without the box until you are used to doing this. Also you will want to add about 10% to the prescribed percentages for the squat, but still use bar speed as a guideline. This style of training has the benefits of working on all the different strengths at one time, in a complete package. This is unlike a periodized routine where there are different phases. I think this style of training keeps your mind and body fresh by using different exercises and not the same old set/rep scheme week after week. It also keeps training fun and competitive at the same time. If you keep breaking max effort records and your speed is good, you should be fine when you go to a meet. Instead of the usual "I did 300 for a triple, I should be good for…?" Why go to a meet wondering what you can do, when you could go in knowing what you can handle. I've used this system for almost 4 years, although I did make many mistakes the first year. I've added 400lbs to my total without the use of gear, drugs or gaining a ton of weight. It just takes a while to get accustomed too. Good luck and I hope this gives some good insight.

GasHead788
11-13-2006, 11:31 PM
Ive been using a sample westside routine and I think it's awesome! Definately worth doing.

limerick_lifter
11-13-2006, 11:46 PM
i have trained an adapted westside systemfor the past year and found it very effective....

Fragel
11-14-2006, 10:19 AM
One thing I think would be so benificial to the world of Power Lifting would be a book written by Louie explaining all his principles and training programs in basic terms!!!!

gerthebear
11-14-2006, 10:42 PM
there was also a westside for bodybuilders template done up that you should search for.
the whole idea of putting size on by being strong.

i.e if a BB can bench 400lbs
imagien how big he wwould be if he could bench 500lbs

worth a look

Doc D
11-16-2006, 03:13 PM
I think that the issue of WS is less use of equipment than that of gear (in the proscribed sense). A raw lifter could modify exercises and focus in order to introduce a different emphasis from that of traditional WS, but the volume and frequency will, IMHO, crush the vast majority of natural lifters unless appropriately adulterated.

Icepick
11-16-2006, 03:27 PM
^ agreed

Nick R
11-16-2006, 05:02 PM
The nail has been hit on the head! have to agree i think younger lifters can cope with the volume/intensity, but eventually they will either burnout or go the other way as Doc said!

gerthebear
11-17-2006, 02:00 AM
i used a modified WS template. and i competed raw.
but i also was doing 3 x 3's and doubles and stuff. my main ws focus was maxing on boards and the use of grips and the speed day was exactly liek that of a westside.

Shawn Boylan
11-17-2006, 02:37 AM
I think that the issue of WS is less use of equipment than that of gear (in the proscribed sense). A raw lifter could modify exercises and focus in order to introduce a different emphasis from that of traditional WS, but the volume and frequency will, IMHO, crush the vast majority of natural lifters unless appropriately adulterated.

Doc D,
If you go to Elitefitnessystems.com and look at some of the elite lifters training logs, there volume is relatively low. Most newcomers to WSB training are coming from following bodybuilding routines and are reluctant to let go of all the bullshit exercises you don't need. THe system itself has nothing to do with drugs,gear etc...Shawn

Doc D
11-17-2006, 11:15 AM
Doc D,
If you go to Elitefitnessystems.com and look at some of the elite lifters training logs, there volume is relatively low. Most newcomers to WSB training are coming from following bodybuilding routines and are reluctant to let go of all the bullshit exercises you don't need. THe system itself has nothing to do with drugs,gear etc...Shawn

Yes, I have read through the logs in question over the last few years - and the volume and frequency still far exceed what I believe that *most* natural, less genetically gifted lifters can productively manage. But there are so many factors involved in recovery that I fully accept that it is up to each individual to put the system to the test.

Justin Hurley
11-17-2006, 11:41 AM
I think you have to give higher volume, frequency time to work. You can't just jump in at that level and expect to reap rewards straight away. You have to suffer and hurt for some time until your body adapts and then starts yielding results.

Olympic lifters and most of the Eastern block powerlifters train with high volume and frequency, but this is ramped up over the years.

Hanley
11-17-2006, 01:20 PM
I think you have to give higher volume, frequency time to work. You can't just jump in at that level and expect to reap rewards straight away. You have to suffer and hurt for some time until your body adapts and then starts yielding results.

Olympic lifters and most of the Eastern block powerlifters train with high volume and frequency, but this is ramped up over the years.

Good point Justin. I remember reading the progression Bulgarion weightlifters follow of the years as regards to training frquency. It was something along the lines of how they'd start training 4 days a week, then every 6 months or so add in another day, once they were up to 6 days they'd add an extra session in on one of the days, then after another few months another day would get doubled up. I think it took them like 4 years before they ended up training 12x a week.

Shawn Boylan
11-17-2006, 02:21 PM
Obviously a more advanced lifter is going to have a higher amount of volume, but that is the reason this program will work for anyone. You need to be honest with yourself and figure out what is necessary to accomplish your goals. Most "less gifted" lifters volume far exceeds that of advanced lifters even if they are using drugs. Most guys are too afraid of the "less is more" workout. Louie Simmons wrote once that once Chuck Vogepohl stopped doing a ton of exercises every workout and just concentrated on what worked his lifts went through the roof.....I won't argue that some people will overtrain on this program. But, it is not as common as you make it out to be....Shawn

SCG
11-17-2006, 03:11 PM
Coming from Weighlifting I've always felt that the volume and frequency in Westside training was quite low.

From a practical point BWLA British Ladies records have been set in every class from 52kg to 90kg over the last couple of years by lifters training using Westside methods - many of these were by Masters lifters who you would expect to have less recovery ability.

In my wifes training I have found that she has achieved best results when she has added extra training to the standard Westside template.

One thing I have noticed is while I have seen excellent results on Squat and Bench, there has been very little improvement on Deadlifts

kyle
11-17-2006, 04:15 PM
Obviously a more advanced lifter is going to have a higher amount of volume, but that is the reason this program will work for anyone. You need to be honest with yourself and figure out what is necessary to accomplish your goals. Most "less gifted" lifters volume far exceeds that of advanced lifters even if they are using drugs. Most guys are too afraid of the "less is more" workout. Louie Simmons wrote once that once Chuck Vogepohl stopped doing a ton of exercises every workout and just concentrated on what worked his lifts went through the roof.....I won't argue that some people will overtrain on this program. But, it is not as common as you make it out to be....Shawn

get a hold of the voghelpol xxx squat video and ul c that chuck v still does a lot of volume in his workouts. BUT then again very few of us r at his level.

Shawn Boylan
11-17-2006, 07:47 PM
get a hold of the voghelpol xxx squat video and ul c that chuck v still does a lot of volume in his workouts. BUT then again very few of us r at his level.

Kyle,
I have the DVD it is pretty good. But you notice because of the higher volume of his dynamic work Chuck seldom does the max effort work on the following monday, he just uses accessory work. He is a monster, and Louie says right in the DVD that most people could not handle the volume he uses......Shawn

Pearce1988
06-28-2008, 11:48 AM
Could anyone list a few of the ME exercise they rotated for each lift as a raw lifter???

Squat...

Bench...

Deadlift...

Martin Brown
06-28-2008, 12:04 PM
Could anyone list a few of the ME exercise they rotated for each lift as a raw lifter???

Squat...

Bench...

Deadlift...

We train westside mostly. I train with a couple of guys who are raw to the core. They do the same exercises I do. Most of the time I use briefs but not suit, and dont always use a shirt for upper days.

So Squat/DL -- SSB low box squats, GM's with chains, Pulls off a block w/chains, Squats with bands, Floor DL's with bands, Rack pulls.

Bench -- Floor Press, Various board presses (stick to lower board work for ME exercises), Reverse band press, Rack presses, CGBP.

It also depends where you are weak in a lift. You need to work your weak points to up your lifts.

M

Pearce1988
06-29-2008, 08:00 AM
Thanks, and u max out each week rotating these exercises.

Pearce1988
06-29-2008, 12:02 PM
One more question sorry to be a pain, how important is it that the ME follows DE by 72 hours, dynamic bench on sunday for example followed my ME bench on wed. I prefer to have an extra days rest to be ready for ME so sunday thursday?

Martin Brown
06-29-2008, 02:11 PM
One more question sorry to be a pain, how important is it that the ME follows DE by 72 hours, dynamic bench on sunday for example followed my ME bench on wed. I prefer to have an extra days rest to be ready for ME so sunday thursday?

It doesn't really matter if its 3 or 4 days between each. Westside have their reasons for the shorter gap between speed and max days, but many people have done it the other way (such as Curt from here I think) and still do fine.

Do whatever works for you :)

Yeah and normally max each week, some exercises tend not to lend themselves very well to a 1RM such as GM's so stick to either 3 or 5 reps with those you are not comfortable doing singles on.

M

Pearce1988
06-29-2008, 02:16 PM
Thanks again, im going to give the conjugate principle a go, i train with a sort of westside template but didnt use the conjugate principle (an integral part of the wsb system i know) i started to train with it before rotating my max effort bench exercise and give up too quickly fearing i was losing strength after maxing out on CGBP for 2 weeks and hitting normal bench weaker.

n.die_BEAST
12-29-2008, 05:12 PM
You don't always have to go to a 1RM max on your max effort bench days. If you purchase Dave Tate's e book on www.elitefts.com you can see that there are a lot of different things that you can do for your max effort bench day other than shooting for a 1RM on things like reverse band bench presses, floor presses etc. As for whether or not you can do westside raw, yes you can. On the programmes you there should be adjustments made to the percentages. For example instead of the 50% of your 1RM on speed bench days for a shirted lifter you would use 60% instead. Remember that when you are doing the supplemental/accessory lifts to make sure that you do not train to failure. Dave Tate said that you should always leave 2 more reps with good form left in the tank. This ensures full recovery between the max effort and dynamic effort days.