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Pork Pie

10-01-2006, 08:33 PM

As I slag you lot off all the time, I thought it might be fun to give you a chance to have a pop at the Pork Pie as I make my way back to something approaching reasonable condition.

Bit of history. I'm an average powerlifter, best lifts 370/242.5/335 at 112kgs. All of that was last November in the build up to the BPO worlds where I bombed on the bench. I haven't really trained much since.

Worst thing was I injured my back again, having previously had surgery on a bulging disk in 1998. Spent the past 10 months pissing it up and having a ball, waiting for the old back to settle down again.....which it appears to have.

Been back in the gym seriously for the last three weeks, where I hope to make some progress for competing again, probably just in the bench as I don't want to have more surgery on the back.

Okay then, last week was my first three day full week after some messing around in the first two weeks.

I'll only cover core lifts, although I do two or three assistance exercises 3x8. No fancy stuff, just basis compounds.

Squat - 180 3 sets x 5 reps
Bench - 140 3x5
Pulls - 180 3x5

Think I'll try and add 5 to 10 kgs per week until the gains slow up, then try something different.

No reaction to the back injury so far, feeling okay and looking very handsome. Weighing about 18 stone, 38 inch waist - need to avoid the Stella for a while aiming to maintain weight but improve condition.

Will post up some diet stuff soon.

Justin Hurley

10-01-2006, 08:38 PM

You go girl!!

garry bamsey

10-01-2006, 08:50 PM

Well done mate takes a lot of guts to comeback after surgery,take it easy and youll soon be back on form;)

Phil R

10-01-2006, 08:56 PM

well done dai nice to see your back

chinster

10-01-2006, 08:59 PM

Well dun mate, get back in there..

Boar

10-01-2006, 09:07 PM

I'll start spreading the news.

Good luck on the comeback trail pork !!!

bulldog

10-01-2006, 09:35 PM

wonder where you went.glad to see you coming back .you do yourself a disservice you were a quality lifter one of only a few in the bpo.if you are just benching do some bpc stuff as well

Matt M

10-01-2006, 11:46 PM

Good stuff mate :)

I love your avatars, :p

Rob Thomas

10-02-2006, 08:37 AM

Looking forward to watching your weights shoot up again Dai!

Mike Adams

10-02-2006, 08:50 AM

.. Bit of history. I'm an average powerlifter, best lifts 370/242.5/335 at 112kgs.

I would hardly rate you as an average lifter. There's are only a handful of lifters i can think of who are approaching 950kg totals!! I'd love to have a total like that .. you're being too modest :)
Must be mentally and phyiscically hard to return after back surgery .. hope it all goes well for you.
PS: love the avatars .. r these historical figures you greatly admire??

Alex Wheatman

10-02-2006, 09:26 AM

Well done dai. Look forward to seeing you on the platform. As long as you don't try to take my title as the tim davies. ;) Before i lift that is, not that strong yet.

Hanley

10-02-2006, 10:57 AM

I'll start spreading the news.

Did nobody else get that??? High 5 to the Boar man!

Shaun Davies

10-02-2006, 08:19 PM

Carl

10-02-2006, 08:42 PM

Did nobody else get that??? High 5 to the Boar man!

yes, lol

PP, i wouldnt say that a 900+total was average

good luck with it all

tod

10-03-2006, 06:23 PM

your to big to slag of dai, you lift what ever you want lol

Pork Pie

10-05-2006, 07:31 PM

I don't think there is half as much debate on our site as there should be around the topic of nutrition. Its a shame because I've always thought that eating right was half the battle in gaining strength and power.

The golden rule is to consume enough calories and enough protein, but how much is enough?

I'd answer that by saying so that you are slowly gaining weight, and then to diet back for contests (unless you are a super or moving up). Doing this I moved up from a lean 106 to a very lean 110 in a few years and my lifts improved as a result. I don't think you can say, a set figure for protein or cals as each person is different.

I haven't got a massive appetite, especially when I'm full of test although I've always been told to go for solid food over protein drinks. For me it looks something like:

7.30: Super mix protein drink*

10.30: Some chicken or tuna and rice

Lunch: More chicken or tuna and rice

3.30: Pro MR and a banana

Train: 100g of protein in water, bottle of full fat coke or lucozade

Dinner: Big piece of fish or steak, maybe with salad or stir fry vegetable (no carbs)

Bed: Porky Pie's night time protein drink*

I don't eat the same one day after an other, I'll change carbs from rice to pasta or potatoes, change the main protein sources around, different vegetables, I think you need variety.

Super mix protein drink - If you are not a breakfast person, try chucking this down yer neck

1 banana
1/2 cup of oatmeal
1 cup of protein powder
1 pro biotic drink
Omega oil mix
Some milk to loosen it all up

Porky Pie's night time protein drink - you don't need the carbs here and protein on its own would be through you too quickly, and so...

1/2 large tub of cottage cheese
1/2 large tub of Bio yoghurt
few scoops of protein
some full fat milk
Omega oil mix

I always have a more relaxed weekend but make sure I have the same amounts of protein, either through drinks or bars or whatever.

I will post my cycles and current gear use in my next post...I hope that will be of interest to some of you and not offend those of you who don't tread the dark path.

PP

Matt M

10-05-2006, 07:55 PM

Nice post mate.

I agree everyone is different, and my appitite is poor, so I have no need to wonder how much is too much, but if I did, I would gauge it by BF% for myself, if I got too sloppy I'd cut back.

That night time drink; it must be thicker than a McDonalds shake, unless you add a gallon of milk? :eek:

Your diet looks good to me though mate, I have been eating more solid food than shakes recently, and found it easier to maintain my weight, and stay as lean or leaner.

I eagerly await your 'dark path' :p

javier1892

10-05-2006, 08:00 PM

Dai, those protein shakes you have posted look great. I am going to start incorporating a few of those in my diet...
Are you planning to compete before the end of the year?
I'll be following your journal with interest mate.

Pork Pie

10-05-2006, 08:55 PM

Matt, The drinks are good, easy to make, not expensive and very drinkable actually. They are an easy way to get the cals in without bloating out.

I hope to compete in the Spring next year Javier - I want to bench 250 in a single ply. If my back holds I might powerlift but at the moment I'm not too focused on that.

Matt M

10-05-2006, 08:59 PM

In the BPO or BPC? Is is that a secret :?:

Are you getting a Katana for the 250, or sticking with the Fury?

After Rob, Justin and Craigs results, I tried to get one today, but they were out of stock, :(

Rob Thomas

10-05-2006, 09:47 PM

That photo of Ron Jeremy in your avatar is the spitting image of an old boss of mine Dai!!

Ben "tricky" Burgess

10-06-2006, 05:43 PM

I don't think there is half as much debate on our site as there should be around the topic of nutrition. Its a shame because I've always thought that eating right was half the battle in gaining strength and power.

I will post my cycles and current gear use in my next post...I hope that will be of interest to some of you and not offend those of you who don't tread the dark path.

PP

Agree R.E the nutrition thing. Ive just realised how much my diet was lacking in fats...adding them in has really helped.

Really refreshing to see someone being so open and honest R.E using.

Keith Ellis

10-09-2006, 02:22 PM

Good to hear your back in the gym, maybe back and competing in PL in the next year then?
Keep us informed on how the training is going and weights you are doing week to week.
With you back aswell there will be alot of good competition in the 110 and 125 classes.

J Power

10-09-2006, 07:11 PM

good to see you back training Dai .
I like your avatars too !

Pork Pie

10-10-2006, 08:59 PM

I'm in no way advocating taking gear in this post. Neither do I recommend you "do as I do", because I don't claim to be an expert on the subject.

What I can offer is an honest account of what I've found when taking steriods.

I'm 36 and have been on the gear on and off since I was 21. With hindsight I'd like to have started later but I was an eager little shit back in those days and wanted to look like Arnold and was into a bodybuilding, wearing tight white T shirts and all that shite.

I remember my first cycle was 30mg of dianabol, for six weeks. I thought it was fabulous! I think I was about 14 and a half sone and put on about 10 pounds in a six week cycle (mostly water of course). A few more cycles and it was back to rugby for the winter, just dabbling in a bit of halotestin and winstrol during the season.

Every Summer we all got on the Test, I recall the standard cycle was four Sustanon, two on a Monday and two on a Thursday, maybe some Deca or dbol thrown in for good measure. Problem was I was always fucking huge come Summer rugby training and had to lose a shed load of weight so it was completley counter productive really!

After I finished rugby about six or seven years ago, I got into bodybuilding and was influenced by the writings of the late Dr Paul Borrenson, who remains a controversial figure still in his advocacy of very big cycles.

During this period I was using about 3000mg of test with anaps, dbol, equipose, primo all thrown in on top. I always remember a good mate of mine stating "the magic really starts to happen on around 3 grammes a week". He had a cardic arrest at 29 mind you. I got into insulin at this time too.

To cut a long story short I was 20 stone of solid muscle and pretty spotty, bald, more holes than a tea strainer in my thighs and decided enough was enough. I decided to give the bodybuilding up as I had run out of enthusiam for it all.

Into powerlifting I started off clean and entered my first few comps with BWLA. I was about to see the last traces of the deca in me float out of my system when I was selected for a random test at the Welsh. If you want a laugh, you should try and climb out of a changing room window with a deadlift suit on, then run down the street with a pair of deadlift slippers on!

I will always regret being banned not because I beat a clean athlete (I lifted unopposed) but because I'm really against drug lifters lifting in clean Feds and I'll always be a bit of a hypocrite whenever I say anything on this.

After a lot of trial and error, I reckon I've got as close to a winning formula as far as strength gains are concerned, whilst at the same time, being able to control bodyweight. It is as follows:

Each day - 100mg of test propionate: 75mg Trenbolone acetate : 2 oxys : 30mg D bol

I run this for about 8 weeks, two or three times a year in the run up to contests. I stay clean the rest of the year.

I know about three or four top UK powerlifters run a virtually identicle cycle. No idea what most others do.

I run nolva/clomid for PCT in the usual way.

I'll talk about non steriod drugs and insulin in the next post.

Weights this week are moving back slowly:

Squat 200 kgs for 3 sets of five last night.

Look forward to hearing your comments and criticisms.

Phil R

10-10-2006, 10:22 PM

[QUOTE=Pork Pie;40113]

Into powerlifting I started off clean and entered my first few comps with BWLA. I was about to see the last traces of the deca in me float out of my system when I was selected for a random test at the Welsh. If you want a laugh, you should try and climb out of a changing room window with a deadlift suit on, then run down the street with a pair of deadlift slippers on!

i remember that day only to well, dai
and to be honest we got to know each other quiet well from then, as you say you did what you did and i admire your hoesty for talkin about it. as far as i am concerned i lift and agree to being tested i know there are always people out there who will say i am full of gear and been lucky not to have been caught, but i do not give a fuck for that i will be honest and say i am CLEAN and someone like yourself saying what you did will not make me think anything different about you.
after all we are ment to be adults and we should behave like so, if you chose to lift and not take a test as far as i am concerned if your a nice guy to me and we get along there is not a problem, freindship has nothng to do with what you take and how much, it is honesty and how we are to each other. i dont see the need to lie about things and slag other lifters off for not takin a test . it is my choice to lift as i do
powerlifting has given me great memories and lots of freinds some who i see often and others who i see sometimes.
no matter what you did and how you do it, after all we need to remember we all...... squat, bench and deadlift.
it is nice to see someone who supports other lifters and being open about things and who shows credit where it is due
well done dai hope the come back brings you the sucsess you deserve.

garry bamsey

10-10-2006, 11:12 PM

Dai you welcome to lift in Welsh next March will be great to have another quality Welsh lifter ,will look forward reading your next posts mate:o

kyle

10-10-2006, 11:32 PM

very straight'up and honest,a good quality in my book..good luck with the comeback and the little cocktail u mentioned.

Mike Adams

10-11-2006, 08:12 AM

Some really interesting, informative and honest posts you've put up, Dai.
I always find it fascinating reading about other PLers history and how they got into the sport and why they do what they do. Hope you have a really successful come back.

cornelius parkin

10-11-2006, 09:26 AM

Bloody hell this thread has turned good all of a sudden:mrgreen: :icon_pee:
Very intresting keep on posting:)

Matt M

10-11-2006, 09:29 AM

Excellent post Dai.

I too read a lot by Paul B, (he was not a Dr by the way, and I am not sure if he even had the BS degree he said he had, no idea why he felt he had to lie about such things), he had some very good ideas, and a lot of nutty ones, that just did not make any sense.

I met him a couple of times, he was a very nice guy, and interesting to talk to, I was very sad when I read of his death.

Would you post a pic of you at your bodybuilding prime? I'd be very interested to see it.

Justin told me the 'window escape story', I pissed my self laughing, :p

I totally agree about drug using lifters in tested feds, there is just no need for it, plenty of untested feds about.

Nice squatting!

Rob Thomas

10-11-2006, 09:44 AM

I'm glad you mentioned the bit about escaping through that tiny window and running down the street in your deadlift suit Dai as I've heard the story a few times now and it's one of the best! I'm glad you've decided to share it!

Good luck in your comeback!!!

Finch

10-11-2006, 09:55 AM

Dear Mr Pie,

A very good post, I have never touched the gear and never intend to, however I find it very interesting and amusing to read of your (and others) experiences.

As someone else posted on here there are enough federations (tested and untested) for everybody and we live in a society which enables freedom of choice. It just really dissapoints me that some lifters use the gear and then try to compete in tested federations on the basis that there is only around a 1 in 20 chance of getting caught, their fallback being that after being "banned" they can compete in the other untested fed's.

I look forward to reading more of the same.
Good luck.

Alex Wheatman

10-11-2006, 10:21 AM

I don't think that i have ever laughed as mush as i did when reading that. After meeting you i still can't imagine you fitting out of a small window, let alone in a tight suit. That was the funniest thing i have ever read on here:p :p .

I'm glad that there are a few people that are willing to come on here and share there "secrects" as it were. Theres still a big cloud of judgement that is cast of people that choose to use.

Just look at how common it is for people in other well televised sports that are getting caught. Dwaine chambers went to the states to try his hand at American football because it is basically excepted over there. You get caught you get a three game ban. By the forth time you get caught its a years ban i think.

I would never judge anyone on what they took or did not take. Its personal preference what we use or don't. There are still a few people on here that need to remember that.

Great post any pork pie.

Pork Pie

10-11-2006, 09:05 PM

Thanks for the feedback - yeah the story about the quick escape is true, not one of my finest moments! :icon_pee:

Poor Ken Williams was trying to ring me on my mobile wondering where the fuck I'd gone to. I even had the cheek to appeal against my ban later although BWLA were quite rightly having none of it! I'm still on the list of shame on Ian Hampson's website!:evil:

I remember talking to a British weight lifter back at the gym a few days later and him say, "Haven't you heard of the three biggest lies you'll ever hear...Of course won't cum in your mouth darling, the cheque is in the post, and we're the Sports Council, here to conduct a random test"

In many other ways it was the best thing that could have happened because Squadron Leader Watkins was good enough to get in touch with me about the BPO which I joined.

I sometimes wonder what causes some of us to go down the drug route and others to stay clean. I don't consider myself to have a destructive or addictive personality - and lots of boys on the gear are pretty calm, decent family guys. I think it is more to do with the local environment of the gym you use. It is a very subtle influence, whatever it is.

Matt, I learned a lot from Paul B's writing although I never met him. I still keep in touch with some of the Biohazard boys though, once in a while. I've got some grainy Polaroids of me at my biggest, I'll bring em' along to the next comp we are at.

Hanley

10-11-2006, 09:37 PM

I sometimes wonder what causes some of us to go down the drug route and others to stay clean. I don't consider myself to have a destructive or addictive personality - and lots of boys on the gear are pretty calm, decent family guys. I think it is more to do with the local environment of the gym you use. It is a very subtle influence, whatever it is.
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I think it's to do with wanting to go to extreme ends of the spectrum.

kyle

10-11-2006, 11:34 PM

I think it's to do with wanting to go to extreme ends of the spectrum.

i agree there,plus its just human nature 2 do almost anything 2 WIN.

Pork Pie

10-12-2006, 09:23 AM

I think it's because he's a cheating cunt.

:p :p :p

Well, yeah - there is that as well!:D

Matt M

10-12-2006, 09:48 AM

I remember talking to a British weight lifter back at the gym a few days later and him say, "Haven't you heard of the three biggest lies you'll ever hear...Of course won't cum in your mouth darling, the cheque is in the post, and we're the Sports Council, here to conduct a random test"

Lol :p

I would like to see those mate, I shall remind you next time I am going to see you.

Interesting thought about what makes some use AAS, and others not.

I am sure there are many reasons, but I would imagine there is a common factor somewhere along the line for the majority.

The exceptions maybe the ones who use because they are too lazy to train properly, I think their psychology, and the psychology of the people who use AAS to push them selves past their 'natural' genetic potential would be very different.

cuntos

10-12-2006, 11:17 AM

I remember talking to a British weight lifter back at the gym a few days later and him say, "Haven't you heard of the three biggest lies you'll ever hear...Of course won't cum in your mouth darling, the cheque is in the post, and we're the Sports Council, here to conduct a random test"
I had a "random" drug test when I qualified for the British Bench in 2003. Hopefully one day I'll lift well enough to have another "random" one - LOL!

Good to read your recent posts Dai and it's amazing to see someone being honest about gear use. Your reputation on here will now be in tatters though; you spent all that time pretending to be a cunt and winding everyone up and now you go and put up some really good posts. :p

Pork Pie

10-13-2006, 12:04 PM

Your reputation on here will now be in tatters though; you spent all that time pretending to be a cunt and winding everyone up and now you go and put up some really good posts. :p

:D Lol - thanks Tom, I will have to redouble my efforts!

Keith Ellis

10-13-2006, 04:38 PM

Very interested. Nice to here you talk about all area's of the sport and being honest. I thought any drug related chat was banned from this site tho! Is this going to open the flood gate for more posts on sports enhancing drugs cause lets face it we all know what goes on in this sport, its been a big part of it for many years and Im sure allways will be.

I rememebr you telling me about the story of your first drug test, a bet it was a real site to see you running down the road in deadlift suit and slippers, lol.

Id like to hear your next post now on insulin and non staroid drugs.

Good to hear the weights are creeping up aswell, hope to see you back on the lifting platform asap.

Hanley

10-13-2006, 04:54 PM

You guys could always just stick in a steroid sub forum if you wanna keep the rest of the site clean. Maybe even have it password protected so that you have to PM a Mod or Admin to get in.

Matt M

10-13-2006, 05:46 PM

Very interested. Nice to here you talk about all area's of the sport and being honest. I thought any drug related chat was banned from this site tho! .

Nothing is banned from the site, unless it offends others, but I dont think anyone has any issues with AAS discussion on here?

Pork Pie

10-16-2006, 08:33 PM

As mentioned previously, there are a lot more drugs to powerlifting than just steriods. In my opinion these are more dangerous than gear and even more care should be exercised in their use. I'll only talk here about stuff that I've used myself so this list isn't as comprehensive as it might be.

Epherdrine - I believe you should only really use eph very sparingly, at or around competition time. It is too easy to get used to it and you are then required to use increasingly large quantities to gain the same effect. Worst of all you can come to rely on it for a "good" workout. Using 5 or 6 epherdrine at five o'clock and you start looking at tamazipan and simliar to come down for sleep.

I've stopped using eph for anything other than the odd leg workout and I think my training hasn't suffered. Get your carbs and mental approach right beofre training and keep it for the comps.

Its got its uses as a diet drug, although there are better alternatives IMO.

DNP - The very best diet drug out there. They should be ramming it down the necks of the fat bastards you see on the television freak shows these days.

I think this is a great drug if you can tolerate it. I've got good results on it and so have many of my friends (and my Mum too when I got her on it, although she never knew what it was!!). You are talking about 10lbs of fat loss in two 10 day cycles, 5 days apart. It makes you feel like shit and everything does turn yellow - oh yes, everything!! Not for the faint hearted but it doesn't kill you on contact and that's the main criteria I've always applied to my drug use.:D

Insulin - another great drug with a terrible reputation, unfounded in my view. Slin is best used 5 days on, 2 off, workng up to 10iu first thing in the morning, 10iu post training. CAUTION you must have 10grammes of carbs per 1iu of slin in your system or you might be fucked.

I remember shooting 10iu into my shoulder one morning before I ate breakfast, must have caught a small vein or something, started to sweat, shake and then the tunnel vision came in. Thought I was a gonner, but managed to stagger to the fridge and spend the next 15 minutes, drinking orange juice and eating Hobnobbs, till the hypo attack subsided. Was shit scared at the time, makes tren cough look like a runny nose!

Clen - waste of time. Makes you shake like a dog shitting string. Best left alone.

GHB - I'd leave this alone. Minimal positive bodybuilding effect although a good high can be acheived off it. Too bloody good in many ways. Almost killed myself driving on this once, again I'm not proud of doing so.

Never used nubain, diuretics nor cocaine as a powerlifting drug, so can't comment here. I know several guys who have a line before lifting and are, to be fair, really good powerlifters.

Once again, look forward to hearing what others to say on this subject.

Pork Pie

10-16-2006, 08:44 PM

Squatted 220 for three reasonable sets of five tonight, in a pair of shorts with a belt. I intend to stop on this weight for several weeks now and allow the back to get used to the weight, although I will attempt to push my bench up further.

I'm surprised how quickly the strength has come back after the layoff and injury.

Hanley

10-16-2006, 08:50 PM

I thought DNP had a really bad rep...? As in any serious fucking about and it'll cook you from the inside out.

Matt M

10-16-2006, 09:59 PM

Yes DNP can cook you, but too much asprin can kill you too, it is all about being informed, and making educated decisions.

Less is more though, high doses are not nice, lower, say 200mg per day, over a longer time frame, will work as well, and be far more tollerable.

I know of some who have gone as high as 1000mg per day, and did not die, although they felt like death, :D

Nice post again Dai, good to see you giving everything a try, :p

GHB used sensibly, not for a drive :( , is better than benzodiazepines, gives a better sleep quality too. Although some claim it to be addictive, I think if used for sleep this can not be the case, except maybe psychologically (i.e cant sleep without it).

I think clen has a place in BB (esp combined with T3), dont think it will do a lot for powerlifters, but as you say there are better things about.

Ephedrine is great IMO, but I only use 1 or 2 twice per week, so I dont build up any tollerance to it. It just gives me a bit of mental focus.

I think insulin is a personal thing, and diet is key when using, or you will get fat. I will say that IM is much better than sub q, and actually easier to control, despite a more rapid on set.

I have never touched any rec drug, but have heard about strongmen and powerlifters using amphetamines before lifting, I dont know any one personally who does this, (or admits to it), so I have no idea of the effectiveness, or side effects.

Very nice squatting there, I think you will be back to full lifting in no time.

Are you deadlifting at all yet?

bulldog

10-17-2006, 07:58 AM

Pork Pie

10-17-2006, 08:28 AM

matt ephedrine can take up to 14 days to clear system. it can be physically and phycologically addictive.best used on day you lift not at all for tng.had a long chat with brian batch on this and people dont realise how long it takes to clear system and how much it affects other glands thyroid and pituetrey

Yep, its not got the bad reputation it really deserves IMO.

I know a few BWLA lifters who pop the old epherdrine like smarties but would never touch gear and I've always thought that was a bit messed up logic really.

Matt M

10-17-2006, 03:23 PM

matt ephedrine can take up to 14 days to clear system. it can be physically and phycologically addictive.best used on day you lift not at all for tng.had a long chat with brian batch on this and people dont realise how long it takes to clear system and how much it affects other glands thyroid and pituetrey

It is not something I have researched, (but I shall), after 6 hrs I feel no effects from eph at all, and can take it or leave it, so I do not feel it is addictive when used in moderation, for me at least.

Brian has written some good things, but I dont agree with every thing he has to say.

I shall come back to this when I have had time to look into it in more depth.

Icepick

10-17-2006, 03:59 PM

[QUOTE=Matt M;40699]It is not something I have researched, (but I shall), after 6 hrs I feel no effects from eph at all[QUOTE]

Yea,i once i looked into how long it takes eph to leave the body and stumbled on this website
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-detection-times.asp

Matt M

10-17-2006, 04:15 PM

That says 4 days, but there are no refs on that article.

Even if the substance's metabolites can be detected for 4 days, (or 12 moths), after, does not mean it is metabolicly active for that time.

Icepick

10-17-2006, 04:34 PM

Matt M

10-17-2006, 06:10 PM

Come on dude, I seriously doubt that if you took 20mg eph today before a session,It will still have a metabolic effect come next week before your next session as long as you havent taking it again. its just like caffiene imo.

That is what I said.

Just because a drug can be detected x amount of days post ingestion, does not mean it is having an effect on your physiology.

Interesting about BWLA Dai, do they not test for ephedrine?

Martin Flett

10-17-2006, 07:37 PM

That is what I said.

Just because a drug can be detected x amount of days post ingestion, does not mean it is having an effect on your physiology.

Interesting about BWLA Dai, do they not test for ephedrine?

It's not BWLA that tests, it's UK Sport and they test to WADA guidlines, so yes they do test for ephedrine.

Joel Di Battista

10-17-2006, 07:56 PM

It is not something I have researched, (but I shall), after 6 hrs I feel no effects from eph at all, and can take it or leave it, so I do not feel it is addictive when used in moderation, for me at least.

Brian has written some good things, but I dont agree with every thing he has to say.

I shall come back to this when I have had time to look into it in more depth.
As far as I know, ephedrine and amphetamines are out of your system within 48 hours. To testable levels anyway.

Matt M

10-17-2006, 09:22 PM

As far as I know, ephedrine and amphetamines are out of your system within 48 hours. To testable levels anyway.

If it cant be tested for then it is not there, off the top of my head I would imagine 48hrs would be about right for eph, but I shall spend some time making 100% sure before posting my essay on the subject, ;)

cornelius parkin

10-17-2006, 09:32 PM

I hate to agree but i do:mad: ephedrine is damn addictive in fact it sucks to train with out it when you get used to it and then you find that you have about 5 shitty sessions until your used to training with out it again:evil:
A large dose of eph some pain killers and caffine and i am flying :) could explain why i get to sleep at 9am also :p

Matt M

10-17-2006, 09:44 PM

Read a few posts up, the part about "used in MODERATION", lol :p

I think it could def explain the 9am sleep, :D

No doubt it has abuse potential, but so do many other things, it is down to the individual to make the choice about how they live their life.

bulldog

10-17-2006, 11:40 PM

its not how long it can be traced for but the affect it has on other organs

Justin Hurley

10-18-2006, 09:19 AM

In Bawla you can use ephedrine out of competition but not in.

Matt M

10-18-2006, 09:39 AM

its not how long it can be traced for but the affect it has on other organs

What effect? You mentioned thyroid and pituitry, but what effect does it have on them?

Matt M

10-18-2006, 09:41 AM

In Bawla you can use ephedrine out of competition but not in.

I would imagine that to be a negative, if you use it for training, then have to lift without it on the day?

I certainly would not do that.

bulldog

10-18-2006, 11:58 PM

represses them

cornelius parkin

10-19-2006, 12:39 AM

So what is a reasonable dose to take?under 100mg over 100mg???
I have seen what happens when you go to 300mg and above ;) you fuck up the whole after comp going out for every one with constant puking:p (you know who you are:mad: )
Should one follow a body weight ratio?

Matt M

10-19-2006, 12:44 AM

I have had a very quick look (I shall delve deeper over the weekend) and see no evidence of any studies showing thyroid or pituitry supression with ephedrine, do you have any links?

Matt M

10-19-2006, 12:49 AM

So what is a reasonable dose to take?under 100mg over 100mg???

I dont think it is so much about the single dose, I think that is very individual, 1 or 2 is plenty for me, yet others need 5-6 to get the effect.

I think it is frequency of use that needs to be moderated, as a tolerance builds, and more is needed to get the same effect.

The most I ever took at once was 100mg (many years ago), I did 20 reps squats, and threw up after, (but I got my target ;) )

cornelius parkin

10-19-2006, 01:11 AM

The most I ever took at once was 100mg (many years ago), I did 20 reps squats, and threw up after, (but I got my target ;) )

:icon_puz: em........i lowered my dose to 100mg because i was finding 150mg a bit much:confused: i probably enjoy the feeling a bit too much if every one else takes that dose:p and i take it around 3 times a week some times 4 ,time to fix this then and get back on the red bull!

Matt M

10-19-2006, 01:26 AM

I train less times per week than most 2/3, so I take it less often, which means I build up no tolerance to it, 1 this week feels the same as 1 next week.

It is also good to know that I can up it to 3 if I really want a blast, but the only time I have done that in the past 5 years was at the comp.

Swop one stimulant for another, lol, too much caffeine make me feel a bit sick, anything over 400mg is not pleasent, (for me).

Have you tried combining the two so you use a lower dose of both?

Also get some caff tabs, (not rip off 'pro plus' :mad:) and ditch that over priced medicine tasting shit, :D

Keith Ellis

11-17-2006, 06:59 PM

its been a while since youve posted about your training pork pie, hows it going?

Pork Pie

01-08-2007, 02:13 PM

I'll update the journal shortly.

Had a few weeks off training over Chrimbo. Drank like a fish and ate too much as usual. I do it every year.

Going to embark on a short cutting cycle to get some chub off the old frame. I'm going to use that diet that was posted up by the big Yank who dieted down into tip top shape. I'll dig it out and repost it.

Drugs - I'm going to run a low dose of tren and test with this, probably not bother with any orals though. I'm going to have a think about using some DNP too, although I can feel myself sweating just thinking about it!!

This year I'm determined to improve my cardiovascular health. I am interested to know what you lot do (be honest - tell us what you actually do, not what you'd like to do!!)

chris jenkins

01-08-2007, 02:33 PM

I just row or use the cross trainer for 15 mins after each session. I dont do it close to a comp. Do you do any cardiovascular training Dai? Im sure you have some fitness the way you and Craig train.

Ben "tricky" Burgess

01-08-2007, 07:42 PM

If i manage to get one cardio session a week in im happy...my fav is bag work but a jog is more common.

Carl

01-08-2007, 07:58 PM

I'll update the journal shortly.

This year I'm determined to improve my cardiovascular health. I am interested to know what you lot do (be honest - tell us what you actually do, not what you'd like to do!!)

What i do is 2 sessions a week, one for fat loss and one for anarobic/aerobic endurance. My fatlosss cv consists of 40 mins easy on a bit of equipment behind the best looking girl.

My endurance i do 250m sprints on the rower for 3 sets of 5, there was another thing i did to test my fitness levels every 2/3 months but i cant remeber exactly,i'll have a dig around and post it if you want but it was on the rower as im 18 stone and the treadmills sound in pain if i run on them.

I may be fat but im the 3rd fittest forward in my squad (behind 2 opensides and equal with a second row.) and about 10th overall. So i think all this equates to is me eating too much.

Oh and i brought Brawn, like you reccomended.

Pork Pie

01-08-2007, 08:10 PM

Here is the diet plan I intend to follow. I will include a variety of fruit and vegetables, which to be fair the author probably included too. Matt might be able to find the thread with the pics of the lad who dieted down using this plan.

I will definately have one day a week off the diet and allow myself to eat anything I want. I think this makes dieting easier and doesn't materially affect progress for my purposes.

6:30am
3eggs, 2 egg whites
1.5 cups oats
3 fish oil caps

8:30
3scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1cup cottage cheese

11:30
3scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil

1:30
whole wheat pasta
lean ground turkey

3:30
1cup oats
2scoops protein powder

5:00
ground turkey

7:30
salmon patty sandwich on whole wheat toast
1 chicken breast

9:30
3 scoops protein powder
1tbsp flax oil
1cup cottage cheese
3fish oil caps.

I'm pleased you got Brawn by McRobert Sivvy, its full of good advice, you won't go far wrong with it.

any1uno

01-08-2007, 08:34 PM

Honest of you to admit using gear. I'm clean at the present but have to admit a certain compulsion for the dark side is brewing! (BTW...yes did my tour with AAS some 15 or so years ago.)

One question...why Dbol? Oral are so androgenic and Dbol keeps the water weight on.

Not to knock BodyBuilders or praise them...they are all good guys to me. If you want any information on cycles, what gear does what or a good PCT...as a bodybuilder. I've gotten so much information from them I feel I'm better educated in case I want to give it a go this time around.

As for competing against people on or off gear....I'm there to do my best. I don't feel that AAS gives you an edge as I for one still had to train hard...harder than the next guy. It's not just a given that if you take AAS you automatically become a beast. People are so mislead by the whole myth around it.

Anyway...keep up the great work Pork You are more than average in my book an honest guy.

Matt M

01-08-2007, 09:35 PM