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javier1892
08-04-2006, 07:53 PM
For those of you who struggle to make weight before a comp...


Cutting Weight
By Matt Kroczaleski
For www.EliteFTS.com

I think the best method for cutting weight for a 24-hour weigh-in is to get your weight down and back up as fast as possible. The less time your weight is down the less it will affect your performance.

I'm assuming your weigh-in is on Friday morning at 9 am or so. On Thursday after lunch, stop all eating and drinking. If you are really hurting you can have a piece of toast with peanut butter on it in the evening but absolutely no liquids. Basically, I sweat all of the water weight out. How you do that really doesn't matter, but the important thing to remember is to expend as little energy as possible. Don’t do any running or calisthenics like a high school wrestler would do. You can use a steam sauna, dry sauna, hot baths, and even a car heater all bundled up in sweat clothes if nothing else is available.


As soon as the weigh-in is over, you should rehydrate and gain your weight back as fast as possible. I bring my cooler packed with food and liquids with me to weigh-in. The second I step off of the scale, I chug about 1/2 gallon of Gatorade and begin eating immediately. You must gain all of the weight back that you lost or your strength will be affected. As long as you gain all of your weight back or more than you lost, your strength will be 100 percent or sometimes even better.



For an example, this is exactly what I did for the Arnold weigh-in on Thursday at 9:30 am.



Wednesday, 12:00 pm, 240 lbs:
After training, I had a protein shake and then stopped food intake. My body weight was 240 lbs. I did several hour long hot baths with my body completely submersed under the water except for my nose and mouth. And when I say hot, I mean as hot as you can possibly tolerate without scalding yourself. With that, a dump, and urinating a couple of times, I was down to 232 lbs by 6 pm.

Wednesday, 8:00 pm, 232 lbs:
I had one piece of toast with peanut butter. Then I put on five layers of sweat clothes, including a hooded sweatshirt, and drove from Lansing, Michigan to Columbus, Ohio. I put the heat on full blast and pointed it directly in my face with the hood drawstrings pulled as tight as I could while still allowing me enough vision to drive. Four and half hours, later I arrived in Columbus seven pounds lighter.

Wednesday, midnight, 225 lbs:
After dropping all of my stuff off at my buddy's house just north of Columbus, I drove to a nearby hotel to use their dry sauna. After a fifteen minute argument with the night manager, she finally relented and let me into the sauna. At this point, I was already feeling really dehydrated, and it was becoming difficult to get a sweat going. I spent three and half miserable hours in the dry sauna with short 2–3 minute breaks every half hour or so (where I would go to the bathroom and try to squeeze out anything I could). This netted four more pounds and left me feeling half dead.

Thursday, 3:30 am, 221 lbs:
I went back to my buddy's house and tried unsuccessfully to get a couple hours of sleep. At 6 am, I spent another hour in a hot bath and weighed 219–220 lbs on my scale.

Thursday, 8 am, 220 lbs:
I drove out to the meet site to check my weight on the meet scales. Fortunately for me, I was almost one pound under. If possible, try to coordinate your scale with the meet scale ahead of time since we all know several pound differences between scales are quite common and the meet scale is the only one that matters.

Thursday, 9:30 am, 219.6 lbs:
I weighed in at 219.6 lbs and immediately began drinking and eating. I continued to force feed myself all day and never went more than an hour without eating or drinking.

Thursday, 6 pm, 238 lbs:
I drank two gallons of Gatorade and one gallon of skim milk during the day and ate copious amounts of food, which allowed me to gain almost 20 lbs in around eight hours. This is the key. You must be disciplined and relentless in your rehydration and eating. If you slack off here it will hurt your performance. I stopped checking my weight after this because I didn't want to play head games with myself before I lifted, but I am certain I weighed 240–245 when I stepped on the platform Saturday to lift.


So all in all, I lost just over 20 lbs in about 20 hours and then put it all back on in around 10 hours. Again, the quicker you get down and the quicker you get back up, the less it will affect your strength. I know many guys who use diuretics to get down and IVs to rehydrate. I personally don't feel that either is necessary, and it is taking the easy way out.

Potassium-wasting diuretics can get you into big trouble if over done due to potassium depletion. Without a blood draw, there is no way to know what your levels are. Since taking too much potassium can be just as deadly as not enough (it will affect your heart rhythm) and they are famous for sapping strength, I avoid them. While IV fluids can be an effective way to rehydrate, you had better have someone who knows what they're doing when administering it to you or problems can ensue there as well. To me, these risks aren't necessary and are just the easy way out.


One word of caution—this is what I do and it works for me. Everyone has a different tolerance for heat and dehydration, and messing up here can have dire consequences. This is just for educational purposes only. What you do is completely up to you and at your own risk. Good luck!

cornelius parkin
08-04-2006, 09:34 PM
Hmm i dont know ,often people over estimate how heavy they are (weighing them selfs at the wrong time when they are carrying food and waste in the body)i bet this guy is fatty and full of fluids to lose so much so fast,i know my self that even 5lb is a bitch to lose in the sauna if you dont hold a lot of water weight 20lb sounds a little stretched for the average person...well it would be for me any way:)

It is a nice article however:mrgreen:

Neil Deighton
08-04-2006, 09:39 PM
Hmm i dont know ,often people over estimate how heavy they are (weighing them selfs at the wrong time when they are carrying food and waste in the body)i bet this guy is fatty and full of fluids to lose so much so fast,i know my self that even 5lb is a bitch to lose in the sauna if you dont hold a lot of water weight 20lb sounds a little stretched for the average person...well it would be for me any way:)

It is a nice article however:mrgreen:


hes not fatty hes pretty ripped!! its the guy who won the arnold at middleweight this year!

gerthebear
08-04-2006, 09:40 PM
yeh Matt Kroczaleski is a monster...he had pics to accompany this article...he's totally ripped

cornelius parkin
08-04-2006, 09:44 PM
The middle weight fellow:o that guy looked wicked:mrgreen:
Ok i was wrong(if hes telling the real truth:rolleyes: )i know i sweat like a water fountain when i train and pretty much all day long yet i still dont lose that much,may be the hot baths are doing some thing sweating doesnt because i couldnt see that kind of loss happening just through sweating.

gerthebear
08-04-2006, 09:46 PM
would i be rude to imply that he might of had sum 'not so natural' assistance in getting rid of all that water??

cornelius parkin
08-04-2006, 09:49 PM
would i be rude to imply that he might of had sum 'not so natural' assistance in getting ride of all that water??
Yes that would be very rude:D

gerthebear
08-04-2006, 09:49 PM
hahaa ok then i take it back. .. :-D

Boar
08-04-2006, 10:14 PM
whats the deal if the weigh in is the morning of the comp ????

can i lose mabie 4kg's the night befor , weigh in at 9 ,eat n stuff then start liftin ???

cornelius - do you know if the weigh in is sat or sun,itsprobablysun as its not a massive show

cornelius parkin
08-04-2006, 10:19 PM
No there will be weighins on saturday there all ways is in GPC :)
I think/hope it will be early in the morning so i will(if neil proves not to be a lazy bastard and actually drive up early enough:) )be there first thing then off to pizza hut i have to give neil a little lesson in how to eat pizza:cool:

gerthebear
08-04-2006, 10:23 PM
jaysus corn, yer a BIT gigantic in that pic arent!!!thats awesome lookn

gives us some back will you??

cornelius parkin
08-04-2006, 10:25 PM
Dont much appreciate the corn nickname:mad:

:p thats an old picture i am nearlly 10kg heavier now and in better shape if i may say so my self:cool:

Boar
08-04-2006, 10:42 PM
goody goody,

birmingham is only 100 miles down the M6 for me so if im struggling with weight i will:

1.fuck it and compete with tom @ 110kg

2.do a weightloss thing like that dude did and drive down on sat , weigh in and annoy anyone i can find with my northern charm

3.mm,i think thats it, i could try harder and lose the weight over a week , itsnot like iwill be much over, no , scrap no3

cornelius parkin
08-04-2006, 10:49 PM
well if your suits are a little loose do option 1 but if they fit perfect now do option 2:)

cuntos
08-04-2006, 11:44 PM
Matt is a good friend of my brother and they used to train together. When he says he doesn't use diuretics or IVs he is telling the truth.

gerthebear
08-04-2006, 11:48 PM
Well im more than clear on that subject then...

he did well to loose all the weight!!!...im glad i compete @ lightweight:p

Hanley
08-05-2006, 01:40 AM
THat's some hardcore shit right there. Matt's an absolute beast.

Anyone know what the max one could lose for a morning weigh in where the comp starts like 4 hours after and not expect to see a drop in performance??

cornelius parkin
08-05-2006, 12:26 PM
THat's some hardcore shit right there. Matt's an absolute beast.

Anyone know what the max one could lose for a morning weigh in where the comp starts like 4 hours after and not expect to see a drop in performance??
For first comp i did 3kg and lost no power even though i only had a 2 hour weighin(IPF)

Funky_monkey
08-06-2006, 01:55 PM
if the competition is on sunday i would do this.

weds - 15pints water - pinch of salt with 2-3 meals

thurs - 15 pints water - pinch of salt with 2-3 meals

fri - 6-7pints water - no extra salt

sat - one glass of water to last you through the day. NO SALT, salty foods etc. if you have shakes, then use as little fluid as you can get away with. also, limit the amount of carbs (less water retention) if you're dying, then have a sip of water. limit dinner to something light, a large chicken breast chopped up in salad etc. 4000-5000mg vitC

Sun - for breakfast have the same as last nights lunch. minimal water and carbs. 4000-5000mg vitC

as soon as you weigh in, have a pint of water mixed with two sachets of dioralyte. then drink water if you are thirsty. also have a protein shake and food if you are hungry. nothing that will upset your stomach though such as greasy food, and if you do have lucozade then sip ot so insulin levels don't shoot up and down. also caffine before you lift can raise and lower energy levels, as well as being a diuretic. squash helps you take in a lot more water. i find it helps a LOT.

this should help you lose 7-10lbs and gain most of it back with no impact on performance.

Justin Hurley
08-06-2006, 02:03 PM
4000-5000g of vit c in one go, will have you shitting threw an eye of needle, be good to make weight, as you'll probably shit 3kg of liquid out of your ass, you won't feel too good competing though.

Funky_monkey
08-06-2006, 08:13 PM
i was advised 10,000mg in one go in Monster Muscle, but just took 7,000mg in one go. i think 5,000 will be safer. i wasn't shitting any more than normal. would be good to try 3,000 and if thats fine then next week try 5,000.

Justin Hurley
08-06-2006, 08:17 PM
I learn't the hard way, won't ever use vit c again.

If you do use, split the doses up to every hour, 1g per hour.

Boar
08-06-2006, 08:20 PM
lol, i dont mind squirting large amounts of boar fluid from my botty , but i dont wanna feel crap whilst lifting !!!

I am genuinly considering the day befor the weigh in sauna and other stuff scenario , only because i wanna compete in the first batch in the morning, then spend a couple of hours not crapping myself and enjoying the lifting.:-D

cornelius parkin
08-06-2006, 08:27 PM
:p monkey i think i was the twat who advised you that!
i have taken 10grams of vit c hell i take 4 grams ed,and all that happens is i piss more and look better from dehydration!
i never realised it could cause a bad reaction in some people!!!

Funky_monkey
08-07-2006, 12:30 AM
i heard that from a few people on monster muscle. i didn't have any bad reactions and no one mentioned it so i thought it was fine. just thought it was a diuretic, not a laxative aswell. well at least johnny will be explosive out of the hole

Hanley
08-07-2006, 12:52 AM
. well at least johnny will be explosive out of the hole


BEST.POST.EV-ER!

Justin Hurley
08-07-2006, 08:20 AM
Vit C is absorbic acid, it has better laxative qualities than diuretic.

Rob Thomas
08-07-2006, 09:04 AM
Just come and join my fat boys class, you'll never have to worry about cutting weight for a comp again :-)

Matt M
08-07-2006, 10:05 AM
I found sodium ascorbate, (buffered vit c), to have an even lower bowel tollerance, :(

cuntos
08-07-2006, 12:50 PM
I found sodium ascorbate, (buffered vit c), to have an even lower bowel tollerance, :(
LOL! :p

Boar
08-27-2006, 06:16 PM
ok,its getting nearto the time - im gonna lose the 4kg's i need on the friday and drive down for the saturday weigh in (and some well deserved cottaging)

is the 'after dinner no food or drink' method gonna be ok,im a fair fat chunk,so im guessing my bod wont miss a bit of water ??

would squirting water up my bottom with a seringe help ?? im rather hoping it will as ive been doing it all afternoon.....

cornelius parkin
08-27-2006, 06:36 PM
Try squirting vodka up your ass boar;)

Hanley
08-27-2006, 06:43 PM
This is a copy and paste of what I did that I posted on another forum; (keep in mind that in the week prior to this I drank at least 5 litres of water per day for 7 days.)

"So it's Friday night.

I weighed myself before training at about 12.30om. I was bang on 91kg.

After training I had a protein shake and carb drink.

Had some pasta and meat about 4pm. Then a litre of water between then and 12pm. I also had 2 protein shakes and a pint of milk.

Tomorrow i plan to have chicken sandwhich for breakfast. A shake about 2pm, vit C about 6 and then nothing til after weigh in on sunday morning. This should be interesting."




"Saturday night and i'm in hell. This is a horrible experience.

Today at 12pm I had a bowl of cereal for breakfast. Then at 2pm I had a protein shake with barely any water. At 5 i took 3 of vitamin C.

It's now 1am and I jsut took another 5g of vitamin C. I'm gonna go to bed in a hoody and sweat pants and weigh myself about 11am on sunday.

My weight on friday was 91kg."




"I got straight outta bed this morning and hit the gym, no food, no liquids.

My weight.... 87.8kg. Down from 91kg on Friday afternoon. That's a loss of 3.2kg. I'm actually shocked I lost that much without having to get in a sauna or do any cardio.

After I weighed myself I slammed a 600ml bottle of lucozade (similar to Gatorade). Then on my way to MaccyD's I drank a litre of water. I had 12 "chicken" nuggets in McD's and a large Coke.

I then went back to the gym and re-weighed myself. I was back up to 89.6kg already (keep in mind that was after about 20-30mins).

I then lifted (DE bench day, really high volume, about 30sets) and there was no real drop off in performance. I worked up to about 95% for a single after 8sets of 3 and a double with 85% and while it was hard, it was highly possible, coulda probably doubled it.

After training I was back up to 90kg. I'd say I'm at 91 now tho.

So to summarise;

I dropped 3.2kg in les than 48 hours
I put back on 2kg in 30 mins
And the best part, there was no drop in performance.

Experiment = Successful"

Boar
08-27-2006, 08:13 PM
Im rather hoping i wont have to go for more than 24 hrs to shift the necassary fluid.

in the big picture of things it wont really matter, but id like to try.