Building the perfect beast

[cornelius parkin]

Here is a book i find very good and is far superior to any of these little basic articles that are all ways floating about.
This book discusses many things and is a very educational read and will prove to many people that building a huge body is very complicated:eek:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3275300/Building_The_Perfect_Beast.pdf.html

[Matt M]

I thought it was shite, I bought the 2 of them, in hardcopy.

1st one, is just a word for word rip off of the WAR '96, and BPB to me, is just different to be different, there is no science or common sense behind much of what he says.

In between the shit, there are a few interesting points, with references, but if your new to the subject and chem etc, then it will be impossible to distinguish.

At least with your link people wont have to wast $40 on it like I did, :(

After reading your posts on the 'cheap protein' thread I can tell your well educated in such matters, so I expect this thread to have some come backs, I best go dust off my copy as I am sure some quotes will be needed, :lol:

[cornelius parkin]

well even though i do agree with your points that a lot of it is ripped of and some of the info is not based on any scientific methods,i do how ever think many of his ideas including the different phases are very good and should keep the body progressing.I also like how he advocates 2-3 weeks the changing compounds to keep the body growing and keeping HPTA supression to the lowest possible.
what i do not agree with is how he puts long lasting esters the day before pct starts:eek: thats pretty stupid and seems to advocate the believe that there can be restoration of the HPTA even when there are still above normal levels of androgens in the body:rolleyes:
My self personally am drawn to his extreem protien intake recomendations and i am starting on it tommorrow(he advocates up to 4 grams of protien per pound of body weight)the most i have ever taken is 500 grams per day but in the intrest of personal search i will do 800 grams for 27 days(i would have done 28 but i am going on holiday and i wont be able to continue such high intake).
I like to read all these books and then fit them into my own ideas.
some of his ideas look very dangerous how ever especially his cytomel use plus he seems to approve the use of dnp as he includes it in many of his stacks which makes one question his own stardards of safety:icon_puz:
I was looking for this damn book for ages and i finally found the link so i thought i would share :mrgreen:

[Matt M]

To me, if I read a book and some of the idea are just bollocks, like the long esters before PCT for example, it makes me question the validaty of any of the info.

However we both seem to be able to pick through the shit, and agree there are a couple of interesting bits, :)

I dont agree switching compounds will do anything to effect HPTA suppression, if your on your on, regardless of what it is, only possible exception is his 200mg of primo per week, which may be less suppressive, but IMO not that beneficial either.

His ideas (or who ever he ripped them off from) of short time on and short time off are interesting, and I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who had done such cycles but most do not.

Many of the ideas in BPB were written about by Paul Borreson back in 98/99, now I dont know who ripped off who, but the shit is word for word so someone did, I knew a BB who Paul was coaching and he had him on extremely high protein, and AAS for 21-28 days, and he did make amazing progress.

Pauls protocol had day 28 being the last day though, so you were either on prop/acetate esters, or orals for the last week, so on day 29, your system was clear.

I 100% agree, I read everything, and compare what I know from science and practical experience.

T3 use is not as dangerous as the rumors have said for years, the danger of permanent shut down has been pretty much been proven to be false, (I shall post the study later if you have not seen it). I do however belive that doseages do not have to go very high with it.

DNP used with caution can be effective and relatively safe, short term at least, who knows long term, but there was some very interesting things I read about DNP safety recently on CEM, which I shall also post the link to later, with the T3 one.

I shall like to hear how you get on with the high protein intake.

[cornelius parkin]

Yes fully agreed about the HPTA but i do believe that switching compounds constantly will lead to greater gains than just using the same 2 or 3 compounds for months on end.
I have read a lot of what Ian Harrison has written about short cycles(he is a regular poster on a certain board,you prob know which one)
and he likes ones like 6 on 3 of and the use of glucophage on the 3 weeks off but again he advocates using long lasting compounds at the begining of the cycle which seems odd because surely fast esters are the way to go!
There was an article in BEEF about 4 months ago about cycle lengths(you prob read it)and there was talk of even shorter cycles such as 2 weeks because the idea is the body will recover very fast like within a few days after it ends.
I suppose the question is,is it better to turn on/supress natural hormones many times in a year thus the use of short cycles or to turn it on and off may be just twize per year using cycles of many months in duration:icon_puz:
I just find this whole aspect of sport very intresting and i love to read up on it:cool:
yeah i will let you know how the protien increase effects my body,i am hoping for good gains because the cost will be pretty high!
I also like how he says that carbs only need to be between 1-3 grams per body weight because me personally i get very fat when i eat over 200grams of carbs per day(i do have a tendancy towards being diabetic,if i eat to few carbs i quickly go into a hypo state but when i eat too many i get fat within days and hold tons of water!)thus should this method work it will be a great way to add muscle with out excess water/fat weight.carbs are very nessacery but i think many people take too many of them especially people who are not involved in endurance sports that said i dont agree with the atkins diet in the slightest,this diet however may be good....i will let you know in 27 days:p
as far as the t3 goes yeah i have read many articles on it and the fact that it takes 2 weeks for the tyroid to recover after use how ever there is use and abuse and the people who are using it to jack their metabolisms up to stupidly high levels you can see why problems do accur.
i am highly intrested in your DNP link do please post it,as what i have read from it,it seems to be nothing more than a nice way to kill your self really quick:icon_puz:

[Matt M]

Switching compounds may lead to greater gains, after all otherwise there would not be the variety there is, it is just the recovery aspect I do not agree with.

Ian Harrison spent a lot of time with PB around 2000, so I assume many of the ideas may stem from that time together.

Why Glucophage on the weeks off? I can think of better non suppressive things to take, insulin its self to name one.

Which board does he post on, can you send me a link please. i'd be interested to read, I have not heard from him in a while.

Yes, many of PB's short cycles advocated a shit load of Sust, (for example), in week one then nothing for the next 2 weeks, his thoery was the long acting nature would still be working for the duration, but I do not think this is the optimum way to do this, short esters would be far better, and the time frame more controlled, IMO.

Bill Roberts did a 2 week experiment on MesoRx a few years ago, it was 2 weeks on 4 weeks off, I think the guy used tren ac and dbol, then clomid while off, (I shall find and post the link), he was not a very advanced guy, but made good gains on it, and the blood work showed total recovery in the 1st week or so.

I seems as if it makes sense, yet I have not heard of anyone running a string of such cycles.

DNP death would be a nasty way to go, :( but I do not think it is that dangerous used in moderation, fat, lazy people who use it so they can still eat a load of shit are the ones at any possible risk as they are using it longer term.

A lean person using it for 10-14 days at a low dose to strip that last bit of BF will be fine I'd imagine (I hope so anyway :(, :) ).

[cornelius parkin]

PM sent.:) yeah he says most of his ideas do stem from PB.
one thing that i suppose every one must keep in mind when reading these articles(just for fun of course!)that these methods even though highly effective for body builders they will prob not work very well for powerlifters because there would be too many body weight and power changes,hell you would need about 5 different suit sizes just depending on which stage you are on:p

[Matt M]

PM sent.:) one thing that i suppose every one must keep in mind when reading these articles(just for fun of course!)that these methods even though highly effective for body builders they will prob not work very well for powerlifters because there would be too many body weight and power changes,hell you would need about 5 different suit sizes just depending on which stage you are on:p

Good point, lol.

[Matt M]

DNP, health benefits!

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16456

2 on/4 off case study

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/steroid-case-study-01.htm

[cornelius parkin]

nice thanks:)

what i dont agree with is on the 2 on 4 off cycle is they say he was fairly near his natural potential He probably was fairly close to his natural limit when starting this program – I would not have expected him to be able to gain more than perhaps 3 lb over the next year with natural training. yet his stats from begining to end are Bodypart / Parameter Starting During week 3 Improvement
Neck 14 7/8" 15 3/8" 1/2"
Biceps 15 3/8" 16" 5/8"
Chest 40 3/8" 41 ¾" 1 3/8"
Waist 33" 33 ¼" no significant change
Thigh 22 1/8" 23 1/8" 1"
Calves 14 7/8" 15 3/8" ½"
Weight 175 lb 188 lb 13 lb
% Bodyfat 9.5% (n/a) no significant change
Seat Mil Press 165 lb 190 lb 25 lb
Bench Press 260 lb 295 lb 35 lb

those are not stats that make me believe he is any where near his natural potential:icon_puz: and thus doesnt really say much for this type of cycling because this guy could have made similar gains also a gain of 13lb with no bf change would show a significant increase in his stats.

still a very good article,the dnp one is pretty surprising really:eek: and very good also!

[Matt M]

I found the recovery/blood work part most interesting, I dont think the guy was near his potential at all really, does not look as if he trained that hard or heavy.